I've looked at Dorothy Howard's Pew polling numbers. There are more recent surveys than the 2013 one, although the results are similar. On social media use generally: http://www.pewinternet ...
Also, Ripps has said here on Rhizome that "the comment thread was friends only and i did not expect excerpts that fit the [AFC writer's] narrative to be screengrabbed." ...
They may both have been emotional. My point was the Facebook argument was "secondary" information and the Livejournal documentation was the "primary" artwork. This also applies to whether Ripps was ...
In the case of Paddy Johnson's unpermitted use of Ryder Ripps' Facebook screenshots, there was no "strong public interest argument" to share the posts. His art was not made with ...
If you have a substantial time investment in Facebook and put a lot of content up there, you might want to think of it as a public utility. I believe ...
Pastasauce's comments are mean and sarcastic but the analysis of, among other things, the different notions of "public" are well worth considering. This confusion over what's public came up during ...
Thanks for confirming that Rhizome Today has been shelved. (Sorry if you did already and I missed it.) A complete archive of these "0-day" posts should be made public, if ...
"Pastasauce" has a reply to Michael Connor – I was emailed a copy – and no, I am not Pastasauce but I certainly sympathize. Pastasauce has apparently been "blocked" and ...
Howard's article is a bit strange in that gives viable reasons for not Facebooking, presents some alternatives, and then concludes with the author creating a Facebook group. Pastasauce's reply also ...
Mid-'00s blogs were an improvement on lists, in that authors could illustrate stories using directly embedded images and media files, and host real-time comments that then became an easily searchable ...
"Logistically separate publishing platforms" are absolutely the way to go, especially for artists, non-profits, and other content providers that aren't dependent on selling editorial wares. Herrman's articles in The Awl ...
Michael, you wrote above that: "A more nuanced troll would have forced us to confront contradictions in our own position, making it difficult to make any statement at all. The ...
Michael, have you considered shutting down Rhizome's public editorial presence and moving it to Facebook? You acknowledge Facebook's "continued role as something like a public international utility." It seems ...
Michael, if you truly felt sorry for the distress that you caused Ripps you'd removed the tweet slamming his work, as well as this post vaunting your superior ethical sense ...
I would take Ripps at his word that the discussion of "Art Whore" was friends-only, and therefore social media "reaction," to the extent it escaped those bounds, is not ...
I didn't say that "every viewpoint, however unpopular, must be expressed in full public view." As you say, the parameters of your "archiving" haven't been defined yet. Some form ...
At one point Rhizome's conservator planned to monitor "social media" – that would have been helpful here as we could see both sides of the "debate": the private witch hunting ...
Regarding Michael Connor's statement "I certainly don't think that Rhizome should only stage events the outcome of which is known in advance": In theory you want to take risks but ...
The US founders didn't say you couldn't practice religion but they wisely kept it out of government. I feel the same way about religion in art, and on tech sites ...
If Bewersdorf had found Jesus, yes, it would have piqued many people's interest. The question is, would Rhizome be promoting a public reading? It's possible to make fun of the ...
Or, it is horribly adequate if you want to vent to a few friends and not have a permanent searchable archive of your comments. (Assuming Facebook doesn't then blow another ...
Michael, thanks for the link to the Simchowitz interview. He is quite the self-regarding loudmouth, or "amplification nodule," to use his term. Interesting that he gives no credit to ...
My use of the term "souvenir" referred to an established practice of selling documentation for "immaterial" performances, happenings, etc. The classic example: Chris Burden had himself nailed to a Volkswagen ...
Rhizome's reblogging of content from the wider internet, beginning around 2005 or so, using a diverse pool of interested (but unpaid) "site editors," was a smart move. It elevated ...
Since Rob Myers didn't actually state a complaint let's not read his mind and invent problems. His posting of the dead horse and Easter Island statues might refer to the ...
Michael composed this post "live" on streaming video and put it up minutes before I came on to read comments aloud (into the same camera), so I didn't see what ...
The Fahrenheit 451 connection is intriguing – a '60s vision of abstraction-as-dystopian-mass-entertainment is certainly an interesting jumping-off point for a '90s body of work. As one who watched Jeremy Blake's ...
Semi-correction: I was confusing Liquid Villa with an even earlier Blake work, Bungalow 8. The latter work packed a wallop during its run at Feigen Contemporary, Liquid Villa was basically ...
It's too late to lobby you about that LA show but here's what I wrote in 2003 comparing Jeremy Blake to a then-lesser-known artist named Cory Arcangel: http://www.digitalmediatree ...
On an initial skim of this post I thought, "Magda Sawon is showing MSPaint?" and then realized you were making an analogy and that this is just another acrylic ...
In view of the plethora of terms all saying the same obvious thing (not all internet art takes place on the net) let's propose a new term suggested by Ceci ...
1987. My friend Les from high school is now a mathematician with research interests in commutative algebra, algebraic geometry, combinatorics, and algebraic K-theory. I'm visiting the college where he's teaching ...
Hi, Michael (Connor), As editor you interpreted the list a certain way and felt it worthy of putting up. I can't speak to how Bell-Smith is employing these tools or ...
Hi, Michael, It's tempting to call this essay "7 Things in Search of a Stance"; what is your point exactly? Amateurism is bad? Prosumers are victims, and you, as a ...
Great, and thanks to Furtherfield for spreading the word on this. I mentioned Rene's piece and stooped to self-plugging because I think Nate Hitchcock's post does a disservice to the ...
As an artist in this pavilion I would have hoped for a tad more critical commentary. Such as, how "Limelite Tab One Remix" injected some wacky "dump style" into the ...
On our panel in 2008 the NYC art gallerist Magda Sawon was in the audience and after listening to Petra Cortright, Damon Zucconi, and yrs truly talk about our work ...
In the "sings the blogs" example above, "post-internet" was a rather trite way of saying your art was based on something the whole world was already reacting to. The other ...
Feeling a bit uncomfortable in the "kids get off my lawn" zone… We're all struggling with how much autonomy it's possible to achieve from ubiquitous tools we didn't design. And ...
In the present post, Michael Connor makes a distinction between a Web 1.0 artist as modernist, idealistically seeking the innate language of the web, and post-Web 1.0 as ...
A while back, Rhizome posted Guthrie Lonergan's Hacking vs Defaults chart, which among other things contrasted JODI's blog URL with my blog URL (I was "defaults"). Curiously, the screenshot chopped ...
Hi, Orit, The time to discuss this is now. If, as you suggest, Deviant wins, this whole problem goes away. e-Flux, by actively soliciting art and e-world support, is in ...
Also, Michael, am not disagreeing that curation at this point is mere selection. Vidokle said "we won't be curating" instead of "we won't be gatekeeping" because he wanted to deny ...
Hi, Michael, Thanks for the response. Orit Gat adopts a "on the one hand, on the other hand" style of writing that raises questions but stops short of taking a ...
Are "new speculative opportunities as dizzying as those of Zola’s 19th-century Paris" a good thing? Bad? Pure hype? Orin Gat's article takes no position on e-Flux's attempt to corner ...
My discussion above with Ed Halter about so-called Internet Aware Art (in 2009) seems to have gotten disconnected from the above post in my Rhizome comments archive (aka member activity ...
For the record, the most active Nasty Nets users were Travis Hallenbeck (168 posts), Tom Moody (150), Marisa Olson (144), Joel Holmberg (138), and Guthrie Lonergan (86).
Belated smear response: Will Brand claims "there was a guide a few years ago to arguing with Tom Moody that described the strawman accusation as cheap to produce and costly ...
Since Ryder has reactivated his Facebook account the download of his data now seems like a bit of a hollow stunt. We're back to Joanne McNeil's meditations on temporality as ...
Neither this post nor Joanne McNeil's paragraphs describing The Download mention that Ryder Ripps has deleted his Facebook account and this download of all his data is connected to that ...
Just watched "Data Diaries" on the Turbulence website, where it's been for years ( http://turbulence.org/Works/arcangel/ ) and there is no anti-aliasing - everything is perfectly sharp. I'm using the ...
We're not going to have a debate about whether your city's art scene is more political than mine. Good try, though. Others may love this topic, so go for it.
Ben, I wasn't asking for you to write the article Archey suggested in her last sentence. Comparing whether one city's art is more political than another's is one of those ...
In its ideal form crowd-sourcing works like the 12 person jury–everyone has some insight or observation to contribute, regardless of their authority or expertise. The plaster casts aren't meant to ...
What is the basis (citation, reference, etc) for this statement in the above review? "BYOB first launched last year in Berlin by Dutch artists Rafaël Rozendaal and Anne de Vries ...
These issues were worked out in depth 20 years ago in music, in lawsuits over copyright. Eventually artists learned to disguise the samples, but then the frisson of the quote ...
Another question: On the front page "active discussions" box, my name appears as "Tom Moody" but on comments it appears as TOMMOODY. Is there a reason for this inconsistency? Can ...
Also, please note the "Professional Surfer" exhibit was Jan 2007, not 2006. Nick, I have a long-ish list of "fp" links on my site(s) that are not redirecting to ...
The show was called ART@* ^ !! WORK–it was spelled differently every time it appeared. (Click photo of cubicle for link to the curator's page.) The punctuation is causing some paragraph breaks ...
Thanks for putting this up. Am checking to see if there any broken links from my blog to this archive content. (Hopefully no one will be too weirded out by ...
Michael, it's a public website and a public record, and these links aren't being fixed. If someone follows a link from my blog and it doesn't work, it's easier to ...
Hi, Nick, It's been almost a month and the above links still aren't working. Paddy Johnson noticed some other errors and mentioned them on her twitter, specifically that the "Rhizome ...
Hi, Nick, I like the comments having the same font size as the main post. The Artbase redesign looks good so far. Some bugs: The reblog posts are now tagged ...
Hi, Guthrie, First off, sorry for engaging my psycho-stalker on this page, who is now posting sound files and such. Hard to have a conversation with that kind of kindergarten ...
Maxwell, turning off the hyperlinks and stripping out the CSS is neutralizing and sterilizing. As noted below, the videos lose their "charming ineptness" as videos. The work becomes another collection ...
A photo of Chris Burden nailed to a Volkswagen, with the nails presented on a small plaque, is boring compared to the actual event, but that is the artwork as ...
Just saw this reply from brody. I love the way criticism can be reduced to a "grudge," especially when coupled with a "threat." For the record, folks, I ...
Hi, Lauren, Everyone's agreeing (some more belatedly than others) that Ben Davis didn't do enough homework. Not sure if more museum exposure will help this kind of work if it ...
Hi, Jesse, Didn't see the YTMND show but it dealt with the issues more squarely: you know you're looking at recycled content and considering the subject matter you definitely know ...
Everyone loves a food fight. Glad I could entertain. People learn from art history, duh mom. The Guthrie Lonergan MySpace intro piece still hasn't been discussed. I realize that no ...
Thanks for posting this, Duncan. Seems like we're in a agreement on the main points. Besides a blog, twitter, and dump.fm I also have some fixed content websites. Experience ...
"If you are so down with the era of social networking, why retreat back to your self-moderated, one-to-many / broadcast-model blog? Why not stay here and dialogue with me on an ...
Curt, you forget, I addressed you once before, to explain why I don't address you. Social media begins not with the advent of Facebook (Rhizome's "Blogging and the Arts" panel ...
Are you seriously saying mail art and EAT are social media? Yes, I guess you are. That's kind of like saying stage plays were an early form of television. But ...
There was a specific example on the table, of how a Guthrie Lonergan piece was transformed by stages from an expression inside social media into standard museum video art fare ...
Jason, glad to hear about your reservations. Davis's self-criticism at the end is just a little cough of modesty after he has laid out his Grand Unified Field Theory, I'd ...
Davis is one of those art world people who heard about Facebook two years ago. He doesn't use the word "blog" once in his essay–not because he thinks they're old ...
Davis writes for a magazine called "Artnet" and that's about his sole connection to the digital world from what I've read of his past articles. Mostly he obsesses about Marxism ...
Thanks, Michael and miley, I appreciate that dissent can be slipped in the back door here at Rhizome, when the organization officially endorses one of the more boneheaded essays currently ...
"while at Rhizome be sure to read about coal-fired computers and feel really bad about yourself. (I seem to recall this was a late '90s canard designed to spur coal ...
Why is Saks' green light for this a "surprise"? Guess everyone's forgotten heroin chic and Diesel's "dead teenagers" campaign. And name-checking Trisha Brown, how wonderfully correct.
Good interview, thanks. Shout out to Michael. I was lucky to have seen Open House in its real space incarnation. It made perfect sense in the old NewMu basement, which ...
Re-reading my earlier comment in this thread, when I said no one knew what the term Internet Aware Art meant in the Rhizome posts following the Net Aesthetics 2 panel ...
Hi, Ed, Enjoying this slow motion discussion! You said Lonergan's term "has certainly resonated and has gained some significance in describing the approach of other artists." Resonated with whom ...
Ramsay, that is on point. Here's the indifferent statement you indifferently linked to, for the record. It is masterful deflection of criticism with phrases such as "it was obvious" and ...
Brian, The data mushing in the Kanye video does more than "add some depth to an otherwise insipid song" and I think it's more than just "making the passage of ...
I like what's going on in the Chairlift and Kanye West vids on a wow factor level and maybe slightly beyond that and find it somewhat amusing that Nick Briz ...
Hi, John Michael, Question about the title of the Paul B. Davis/Paper Rad piece: on YouTube it says "Umbrella Zombie Mistake" but here you are calling it "Umbrella Zombie ...
typo 2: "the piece was transformed from a series of YouTubes with ordinary, interactive controls into a rather elegant video collage," not "the piece was transformed to a series ...
Well, you can shoot the messenger and say he's missing the point all you want but there are divisions between new media and the "artists with computers" category discussed in ...
Yes, the artMovingProjects version definitely tipped the idea away from the personal home computing experience (although it was shown on a standard Samsung LCD monitor with Mac Mini visible nearby ...
Guess not. Anyway, Aron Namenwirth, artMovingProjects co-owner, singled out this piece from the mass of spiritsurfers posts and went to special trouble, working with Slocum, to find a way to ...
A gallery version of this piece, without the YouTube controls, ran last month at artMovingProjects in Brooklyn. It worked very well as a piece of stand-alone video art. Did anyone ...
Curt, It doesn't seem possible for you to have an online discussion without abusive language ("trollish" etc.) so I try to avoid engaging you directly. Sometimes it's difficult not to ...
Curt, Ceci replied to my post and I replied to her. Fine if you want to insert yourself into the conversation but it's still a free country, no one has ...
For the record my blog post was called "New Media vs Artists with Computers," not "New Media Artists vs Artists with Computers," as Ceci retitled it. The post ...
Thanks for continuing to emphasize my social conscience. You are building up some serious cred for me here. Obviously you take my point that absent any larger group participation it ...
Hi, Ed, I was referring to how Boswell became Johnson's de facto mouthpiece through a much-lauded biography. (Isn't that what we usually mean when we say "_______'s Boswell"? Maybe that's ...
It's refreshing to be criticized for having a social conscience, since I'm usually "insulting artists" by being apolitical. My point is once you have your little moment of absurd non-functionality ...
Guthrie Lonergan is unusually perceptive and has a caustic wit. That said, credit is generally given for defining a term when it's actually defined. "Internet Aware Art" is a Delphic ...
The "task of massively modulating/modifying culture" is indeed easily ridiculable. No one needs a new media "straw man" when the real thing is right over here on Rhizome. "Admirably ...
Craft is used as a term of description in the second part of the sentence, not a value judgement, because the first part of the sentence makes it clear we ...
In Olson's lead Matson is described as an "artist using textiles and needlework." You have to read across two sentences but the statement is very clear.
Thanks again, billy. I should add that there was indeed a full house, and people seemed to be having a good time, although there was some attrition, and notable sighs ...
Thanks, billy. I missed the feed so this was appreciated. I gotta say the enthusiasm of this bunch who cared enough to watch the feed–random as it is–is a nice ...
Martin, if what you are saying is true then the joke is only funny because some of us thought "out of office autoreply" could create such a loop. How awkward ...
A rainy day project for me (more like rainy month) is to start using Linux on my old PC. I'm bootstrapped into Windows right now because so much of the ...
One laptop per child seemed like a dumb idea to me but the "OLPC partisan" and his ensuing discussion with Clay Shirky made me rethink that a bit: http://www ...
Paddy: A brief recap of the Tom/T.Whid fight history (simplication is not attempt to mischaracterize and I'm not in this for personal spite): You reviewed Cory's Team show ...
Rob, I didn't say "computer envy" was the only link between the two bodies of work. You might recall that up to that point in the discussion the frames for ...
Clarification of the clarification (a post on this may be necessary, with pictures): Manetas has made art with the computer, but the work he got known for, at Postmasters, was ...
Rob, you're being a bit selective in reducing my timeline from Nesbitt –> Proops. I did mention some other artists in there. Nesbitt isn't a very good photorealist but that ...
I don't agree that "the critic may hinder the artist's purpose." I think criticism helps us understand artist's work, even Dan Proops'. Readers can decide who is the troll ...
"Meaning, from artists individual POV a negative public crit of a current show could be worse for the artist, on a whole, than whatever enlightenment they might get from the ...
MTAA: Re: your "liking" artist smackdowns. That's funny, when I discussed Cory Arcangel's Team show on my blog a while back one of you was very concerned about criticism destroying ...
Hi, Marisa, Good summation of what Dubhap and other surf clubs do ("is chock-a-block with the fruits of inordinately long websurfing sessions: frayed gif mashups, hilarious if sometimes unnerving audio ...
Making things happen is good. If you had a show with a non-self-referential theme–such as Patrick Lichty's "NeoPop Resurgence"–and mingled old media with new media work collectors would read the ...
You said Ed's show. I wasn't fanning the flames, I was saying that "selling art" is a boring theme for a show. I think we've all learned today that the ...
Patrick, this page still seems to be reposting comments when refreshed. I wasn't triple posting for emphasis, I swear. (Can you remove a couple of them?)
Nasty Nets was not oppositional, it felt like the right thing to be doing. Ditto my blog. I'm interested in galleries with the same spirit. Obviously they're easier to do ...
Hi, Ed and Domenico, Returning briefly to this discussion after a 36 hour hiatus. One of the reasons I turned off comments on my blog was people were always pointing ...
Thanks for weighing in. We disagree on how to woo collectors but I'm not in the biz–I'll keep holding out for lofty content over "look, the Joneses are doing it ...
You might, but Bernard and Quaranta didn't! They said it was about selling new media work, which Ed endorsed with a nice-sounding term (much the way critics used commodification in ...
Yes, Olia, that kind of proactive statement is what we need–what I was trying to say earlier is the junk assemblage in the Whitney and NewMu is old news, more ...
A painting is labor invested towards an idea. Once the painting is finished it becomes a product that keeps on communicating the idea, long after the artist ceases to be ...
Clarifying: "My point is that's a better way to bring art into the computercentric world the rest of us live in than these circle the wagons exhibitions."
I must have missed Cao Fei that, Jaume Plensa, Jenny Holzer, John Simon, Lincoln Schatz, Cory Arcangel in the Whitney and NewMu this year. I will go back and check ...
One bug with this comment software (in addition to the delay in the comment counter, which Paddy Johnson noted today) is that if you refresh you can end up reposting ...
Hi, Patrick, "one thing this show asks is whether New Media has been accepted as Contemporary Art (i.e. become part of the gallery/museum world), whose practices have been ...
Correction: I have talked with Paul Slocum about presentation issues on the blog and elsewhere and I talked a bit with Olia Lialina about it, but that may have just ...
Thanks, Domenico, Re: your disappointment in Rhizome, I had hoped that Ed might pop in to defend the show he recommended so you didn't have to do it yourself, but ...
So is an "editioned photo" at this point. We make compromises (arbitrary cutoffs of supply, agreeing to respect the edition, etc.) to help support artists in this cruel world. I ...
The art world has been selling souvenirs of dematerialized acts since the 60s. There's nothing wrong with artists getting paid. Talking about it is boring, though.
Hi, Ed, Am I to understand that this is an exhibit organized in a non-profit space, the theme of which is, "how artists are finding ways to get paid out ...
It's OK for a critical advocate to project! Without having seen any of the pieces (the jpegs-plus-commentary being somewhat like thought experiments here) I'm with Paddy in preferring the side ...
The first instance of a stasis field I know of in science fiction comes from Larry Niven's "Known Space" series. In World of Ptavvs a surviving member of the extinct ...
Thanks for uncropping. Exuberantly humbly, Tom PS I would say the people in Nasty Nets are going in radically different directions. One thing that made the site interesting was that ...
Thanks for uncropping. Exuberantly humbly, Tom PS I would say the people in Nasty Nets are going in radically different directions. One thing that made the site interesting was that ...
Go, Guthrie! But… Curious why the Hacking vs Defaults chart was edited–shouldn't it say "detail"? Here is a link to full chart and some actual (gasp) discussion about it: http ...
On social media use generally: http://www.pewinternet ...