In a message dated 7/5/2002 4:28:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
office@plasmastudii.org writes:


> They have to integrate with past information (in
> this case, observations about linguistics), effecting the world
> outside of the mechanical box in the present, to not end up the
> un-bio-degradable garbage of the future.

On this sin typo we both agree Judson my good Fanshawe rebelliore.

Rich Herman
genius2000.net

++

Max
your posts get more and more baroque.
I think you should consider a collected
correspondance.
best
michael
— Nmherman@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 7/5/2002 4:28:15 PM Central
> Daylight Time,
> office@plasmastudii.org writes:
>
>
> > They have to integrate with past information (in
> > this case, observations about linguistics),
> effecting the world
> > outside of the mechanical box in the present, to
> not end up the
> > un-bio-degradable garbage of the future.
>
> On this sin typo we both agree Judson my good
> Fanshawe rebelliore.
>
> Rich Herman
> genius2000.net
>
> ++
>


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In a message dated 7/5/2002 6:28:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
szpako@yahoo.com writes:


> Max
> your posts get more and more baroque.
> I think you should consider a collected
> correspondance.
> best
> michael
>

I most certainly am considering one, and thank you for the encouragement. If
you know any literary agents or publishers I need one very badly, due to
overwhelming debts.

Unfortunately my brain is gagging on a url which I can only call more
terrorizing than any human event I can conceive:
http://newsletter.thing.net/index.php?id'

There is an idea that all emperors have to obey, and that is called
"pre-emptive history." I mean, what is up with this small plane shit? Does
everyone out there know this but stay quiet like whatsherface in the Body
Snatchers? Perhaps it is because we do indeed have a monstrous consensual
charade afoot. Maybe that is the gift of 9/11, a rough beast slouching
toward Bethlehem.

No one is innocent of this sort of virtual guilt. Suppose you were one of
the editors of the NYT and you knew the Pentagon plane was fake. Would you
publish it? Talk about yelling fire in a crowded theater. Is it sedition to
reveal or even entertain thoughts, secrets, or facts that would burden the
state? Yes, if the State is under emergency rule as we are now. So why try
to go to jail? Why dissent during wartime?

I made a website once about Bush being a liar. It is a criminal offense to
call one's president a liar? If so I will rapidly take the site down because
I abhor punishment. What if there is no other president to be found, i.e.,
BJ Clinton is also on the stand? In such a case the government itself is
guilty of having created a tyranny and violated the US Constitution beyond
any reasonable doubt. Military takeover.

In such a situation we would indeed live under a new thing I read about on
CNN, constitutional dictatorship. Under a dictatorship, the state determines
all history both created and recorded. Hitler called it the Big Lie, so big
it will control your very soul and guardian spirit. Maybe it's like Chronos
choking on his babies he ate, vomiting after?

Maybe that url is paranoid malingering which I dearly hope it is. I pray
there really was a big 757 that hit the Pentagon, and that it wasn't some
staged military rite to usher in the end times. The film and novel "Starship
Troopers" portrays a world in which the military has saved humans from the
social scientists, presumably through military sanitization, only to face the
Arachnid threat! Far be it from me to judge anyone on anything ever.

Max Herman
genius2000.net

++

>==this is the source code for word===would welcome any
>suggestions on this, specifically on how to write a
>function to randomize the word output in
>strings===

cool.

but you may read some pinker and chompsky. there are funny little
rules about the actual ordering of sounds. that, strangely, all
languages seem to follow. (Like why we say "humpty dumpty", "wiggly
piggly", "hurdy gurdy", " instead of "dumpty humpty", "piggly wiggly"
which always sound wrong). How come? It's probably part of why we
say "big mac", "

random generation of words is hardly source code for the world, but
so what? You would probably find it more interesting to create a
sort of programming prioritize-er of those rules, that churn out
words. more communicative non-sense if they follow more rules as in
what differentiates Latin from Japanese (surprisingly very little) A
harder task would be to determine how much effect these rules have on
each "instance" of the general function, thing called language.

Not that there are a common set of rules for languages and then
appendage rules, but (theoretically) there are a set of (often
conflicting) rules that each language obeys to varying degrees.
There would be no way to obey them all equally.

in this fairly large italian/english dictionary, for example, i can't
find any examples of 3 vowels in a row. Now this is hardly
representative of the whole language, but you can see there are at
least some low odds. rather than all or nothing, sequentially (each
letter in isolation). what if each rule carried a varying weight and
the final outcome were words where the rules were variables, rather
than the materials (letters).

this is how computers can begin to do more than just show off their
own demo features. They have to integrate with past information (in
this case, observations about linguistics), effecting the world
outside of the mechanical box in the present, to not end up the
un-bio-degradable garbage of the future.

judson


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In a message dated 7/5/2002 4:28:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
office@plasmastudii.org writes:


> but you may read some pinker and chompsky

Judson I've read tons of those dudes, I don't think they pertain to the piece
at hand in the manner you mention per se, necessarily. Debatable?

Jim Herman

In a message dated 7/5/2002 4:28:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
office@plasmastudii.org writes:


> in this fairly large italian/english dictionary, for example, i can't
> find any examples of 3 vowels in a row

What about "poeisis"?

www.wowm.org/addiction/addiction/poem.htm
of course, you can make as many lines as you want
or just one word in each line

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From: "lewis lacook" <llacook@yahoo.com>
To: "wryting" <WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA>
Cc: "webartery" <webartery@egroups.com>; "rhizome" <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 6:03 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: word source


> ==this is the source code for word===would welcome any
> suggestions on this, specifically on how to write a
> function to randomize the word output in
> strings===like, how to get the piece to write a poem
> like this, with the words all randomly generated==i
> tried one variant, but could only get the piece to
> output the same word in a row (the poem ended up being
> repetitions of the same word)====
>
>
> *************************
> //actionscript function by Lewis LaCook July 5 2002
> //randomize the timer for seeding
> random(getTimer);
> //declare the character arrays
> Vowel=new Array ( )
> Vowel[0]="a"
> Vowel[1]="e"
> Vowel[2]="i"
> Vowel[3]="o"
> Vowel[4]="u"
> Vowel[5]="y"
>
> Consonant=new Array( )
> Consonant[0]="b"
> Consonant[1]="c"
> Consonant[2]="d"
> Consonant[3]="f"
> Consonant[4]="g"
> Consonant[5]="h"
> Consonant[6]="j"
> Consonant[7]="k"
> Consonant[8]="l"
> Consonant[9]="m"
> Consonant[10]="n"
> Consonant[11]="p"
> Consonant[12]="q"
> Consonant[13]="r"
> Consonant[14]="s"
> Consonant[15]="t"
> Consonant[16]="v"
> Consonant[17]="w"
> Consonant[18]="x"
> Consonant[19]="z"
>
> //randomize string length
> num=random(9);
> if (num < 3){
> Word=Consonant [random (20)]+ Vowel[random(6)] +
> Vowel[random(6)] + Consonant [random (20)];
> }
>
> if (num > 3 && num <= 6){
> Word=Vowel[random(6)] + Vowel[random(6)] + Consonant
> [random (20)];
> }
>
> if (num > 6 ){
> Word=Consonant [random (20)] + Vowel[random(6)] +
> Consonant [random (20)] + Consonant [random (20)] +
> Vowel[random(6)] + Consonant [random (20)];
> }
>
>
> ******************
>
> =====
>
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>
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