thank you for clarifying that tim… plus it's important to support those=

endangered species of manhattan: the non-wealthy, non-celebrities, some of=

whom used to be valued as, uh, cultural producers… no more. ny is a
playground for the rich, the rest of us can go fuck off.

On 6/25/05, t.whid <twhid@twhid.com> wrote:
>
> more about this in the NYTimes:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/26/realestate/26cov.html


On 6/25/05, t.whid <twhid@twhid.com> wrote:

> I think the advocates against rent control are missing the point of the=

> first post.
>
The landlords are illegally evicting people and using a loophole in the law=

> as a fig leaf.
>
Whether or not you agree with rent control, do you agree that shady
> landlords should use under-handed and illegal tactics to sidestep the law=
?
> Or should they try to change the law through the democratic process?
>

joseph mcelroy wrote:
>
> um, and the great injustice being done is????
>

Shady landlords are one thing, I have yet to see it proven that these
landlords are shady and in fact seem to be trying to go through proper
channels. What about shady tenants, trying to hold on to property that
they do not own and have not taken on the responsibilities of ownership
yet want to keep at cheap rates just so they can keep the convenience of
living in an area they really cannot afford? If you really want to own
some property in Manhattan, it is really not that goddamn hard, you just
have to do the legwork.

joseph

t.whid wrote:

>I think the advocates against rent control are missing the point of the first post.
>
>The landlords are illegally evicting people and using a loophole in the law as a fig leaf.
>
>Whether or not you agree with rent control, do you agree that shady landlords should use under-handed and illegal tactics to sidestep the law? Or should they try to change the law through the democratic process?
>
>joseph mcelroy wrote:
>
>
>
>>um, and the great injustice being done is???? Looks like people
>>want
>>subsidies for staying in NYC - you got to pay to play, take the lump
>>sum
>>settlement and get a cheap place in jersey. Have a flea market to
>>raise
>>money to promote peace, cure cancer, or to hire enuf quality child
>>protection officers. Bullshit sentiment for a fight between
>>economic
>>interests on both sides. Stand this one out.
>>
>>joseph
>>
>>joy.garnett@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
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No it is not important. It is important to support cultural producers,
but we don't have to keep them in penthouses or townhouses or even
flophouses in Manhattan. There is plenty of space available in the rest
of the US, and lots of places want more cultural producers - it just ego
and vanity trying to stay in Manhattan.

joseph

joy.garnett@gmail.com wrote:

> thank you for clarifying that tim… plus it's important to support
> those endangered species of manhattan: the non-wealthy,
> non-celebrities, some of whom used to be valued as, uh, cultural
> producers… no more. ny is a playground for the rich, the rest of us
> can go fuck off.
>
> On 6/25/05, *t.whid* <twhid@twhid.com <mailto:twhid@twhid.com>> wrote:
>
> more about this in the NYTimes:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/26/realestate/26cov.html
>
>
> On 6/25/05, *t.whid* <twhid@twhid.com <mailto:twhid@twhid.com>> wrote:
>
> I think the advocates against rent control are missing the point
> of the first post.
>
> The landlords are illegally evicting people and using a loophole
> in the law as a fig leaf.
>
> Whether or not you agree with rent control, do you agree that
> shady landlords should use under-handed and illegal tactics to
> sidestep the law? Or should they try to change the law through the
> democratic process?
>
>
> joseph mcelroy wrote:
>
> > um, and the great injustice being done is????
>