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Posted June 11 2002 21:00

Behavior, Aura

If Joseph Beuys successfully displaced the "aura" from artwork to artist, does
this mean the behavior and characteristics of the artist are more important
than the thoughts or production?

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Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]

portholeaccel June 12 2002 01:00Reply

no the behavior and characteristics of the performance are just as important as the thoughts or production. it is the deprograming of meaning that is important here. again referencing the
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"Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]" <joseph@electrichands.com> wrote: If Joseph Beuys successfully displaced the "aura" from artwork to artist, does
this mean the behavior and characteristics of the artist are more important
than the thoughts or production?

–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]

marc garrett June 12 2002 01:00Reply

No, not at all Joseph. It's just that many go through the process of
thinking yet it is not really thinking it is just neurotic deconstruction
which can slow the action of creative fluidity down.

marc

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joseph mcelroy June 12 2002 01:00Reply

Quoting furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>:

> No, not at all Joseph. It's just that many go through the process of
> thinking yet it is not really thinking it is just neurotic deconstruction
> which can slow the action of creative fluidity down.
>

But isn't this the process as related to an individual artist, ie what I, as an
artist, not in the abstract, must do or not do to open up my personal creative
flow. But the sense of meaning outside of myself, seperate from any
individual, the questions

Why and what is "aura" of art/artist? Is "aura" necessary? Cannot meaning be
found without it? Could not a consumer - find this aura inside themselves?
Thus art or artist becomes a triggering mechanism for discovery? In the anon
nature of net.art, where is the "aura" - back with the art? Or the medium? Or
the initimate relationship between human/machine/human?

–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]

Max Herman June 12 2002 01:00Reply

In a message dated 6/12/2002 4:46:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
info@furtherfield.org writes:

> > If Joseph Beuys successfully displaced the "aura" from artwork to artist,
> does
> > this mean the behavior and characteristics of the artist are more
> important
> > than the thoughts or production?

Well, for debate purposes let's say I agree 100%. (If Beuys did, which he
didn't really, but he said it was good or that he wanted to or that that was
what he was hoping and working for, which was mainly a lie.)

Think of it this way: what is more important, the way things are produced or
the products? I think it's the way.

I think also that if you take Beuys, Warhol, Maciunas, and G2K you find that
cognitively the producers and consumers are the categories that blur, like in
Jevbratt's data-mingling.

Like in client-server, host-user, interface-database, etc.

Plus everyone go to artforumtalkback it's the best.

Max

artforum.com/talkback

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Max Herman June 12 2002 01:00Reply

In a message dated 6/12/2002 10:48:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
joseph@electrichands.com writes:

> many go through the process of
> > thinking yet it is not really thinking it is just neurotic deconstruction
> > which can slow the action of creative fluidity down.

I'm down with that, possibly true.

My browser's been crashing. However, I wanted to reply to Zeidner on scanner
art.

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http://www.geocities.com/genius-2000/hamletoedipus.htm
http://www.geocities.com/genius-2000/natalie.jpg [Max's Netiquette News]

Don't forget to go to Artforum.com Talkback and talk it up before they take
it down!

Use good language champions,

Max Herman
genius2000.net

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joseph mcelroy June 12 2002 01:00Reply

> Think of it this way: what is more important, the way things are produced or
> the products? I think it's the way.

Could we only have the "way" and not the products?

–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]

Max Herman June 12 2002 01:00Reply

Max Herman June 12 2002 01:00Reply

In a message dated 6/12/2002 5:56:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
joseph@electrichands.com writes:

> Could we only have the "way" and not the products?

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Nmherman: Zen and the Art of Bicycle Gridfacture
Nmherman: Capping the Quant of the Art Business
Nmherman: Quanting Art-Biz Market Caps

Porque? Es el fuego de comportiamento del arte. C'est un example d'art
comportement.

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portholeaccel June 15 2002 01:00Reply

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"Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]" <joseph@electrichands.com> wrote: > Think of it this way: what is more important, the way things are produced or
> the products? I think it's the way.

Could we only have the "way" and not the products?

–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]

Christopher Fahey June 18 2002 01:00Reply

Keep talking about Behavior, folks, keep talking.

-Cf

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