On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, David Crawford wrote:

> Please help Turbulence stay alive by going to
> http://turbulence.org and clicking on the PayPal button.

Click on my PayPal button first.

Seems like they have more than enough New Media Nonsense
Funding as it is: The Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual
Arts, The Greenwall Foundation, the Jerome Foundation, the
LEF Foundation, the National Endowment for the Arts, the New
York City Department of Cultural Affairs, and the New York
State Council on the Arts.

— bbs: brad brace sound —
— http://63.170.215.11:8000 —


The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> posted since 1994 <<<<
"… easily the most venerable net-art project of all time."

+ + + serial ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bbrace
+ + + eccentric ftp:// (your-site-here!)
+ + + continuous hotline://artlyin.ftr.va.com.au
+ + + hypermodern ftp://ftp.rdrop.com/pub/users/bbrace
+ + + imagery ftp://bjornmag:Sobject@kunst.no/12hr/

News: alt.binaries.pictures.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.misc
alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc alt.12hr

. 12hr email
subscriptions => http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html


. Other | Mirror: http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html
Projects | Reverse Solidus: http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/
| http://bbrace.net

{ brad brace } <<<<< bbrace@eskimo.com >>>> ~finger for pgp

* http://www.bloglines.com/blog/bbrace

Maybe when you start supporting other artists' work by your very
existence.

On Nov 2, 2004, at 3:22 PM, { brad brace } wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, David Crawford wrote:
>
>> Please help Turbulence stay alive by going to
>> http://turbulence.org and clicking on the PayPal button.
>
> Click on my PayPal button first.

Don't be a dick.

On 11/2/04 6:22 PM, "{ brad brace }" <bbrace@eskimo.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, David Crawford wrote:
>
>> Please help Turbulence stay alive by going to
>> http://turbulence.org and clicking on the PayPal button.
>
> Click on my PayPal button first.
>
> Seems like they have more than enough New Media Nonsense
> Funding as it is: The Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual
> Arts, The Greenwall Foundation, the Jerome Foundation, the
> LEF Foundation, the National Endowment for the Arts, the New
> York City Department of Cultural Affairs, and the New York
> State Council on the Arts.
>
> — bbs: brad brace sound —
> — http://63.170.215.11:8000 —
>
>
> The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> posted since 1994 <<<<
> "… easily the most venerable net-art project of all time."
>
> + + + serial ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bbrace
> + + + eccentric ftp:// (your-site-here!)
> + + + continuous hotline://artlyin.ftr.va.com.au
> + + + hypermodern ftp://ftp.rdrop.com/pub/users/bbrace
> + + + imagery ftp://bjornmag:Sobject@kunst.no/12hr/
>
> News: alt.binaries.pictures.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.misc
> alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc alt.12hr
>
> . 12hr email
> subscriptions => http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html
>
>
> . Other | Mirror: http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html
> Projects | Reverse Solidus: http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/
> | http://bbrace.net
>
> { brad brace } <<<<< bbrace@eskimo.com >>>> ~finger for pgp
>
> * http://www.bloglines.com/blog/bbrace
>
>
>
>
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but being a dick is an art form bb has perfected; unfortunately (uh,
*FORtunately*) no one will support that.

;-)

ok back to those exit polls…



On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, kanarinka wrote:

> Don't be a dick.
>
> On 11/2/04 6:22 PM, "{ brad brace }" <bbrace@eskimo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, David Crawford wrote:
>>
>>> Please help Turbulence stay alive by going to
>>> http://turbulence.org and clicking on the PayPal button.
>>
>> Click on my PayPal button first.
>>
>> Seems like they have more than enough New Media Nonsense
>> Funding as it is: The Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual
>> Arts, The Greenwall Foundation, the Jerome Foundation, the
>> LEF Foundation, the National Endowment for the Arts, the New
>> York City Department of Cultural Affairs, and the New York
>> State Council on the Arts.
>>
>> — bbs: brad brace sound —
>> — http://63.170.215.11:8000 —
>>
>>
>> The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> posted since 1994 <<<<
>> "… easily the most venerable net-art project of all time."
>>
>> + + + serial ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bbrace
>> + + + eccentric ftp:// (your-site-here!)
>> + + + continuous hotline://artlyin.ftr.va.com.au
>> + + + hypermodern ftp://ftp.rdrop.com/pub/users/bbrace
>> + + + imagery ftp://bjornmag:Sobject@kunst.no/12hr/
>>
>> News: alt.binaries.pictures.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.misc
>> alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc alt.12hr
>>
>> . 12hr email
>> subscriptions => http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html
>>
>>
>> . Other | Mirror: http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html
>> Projects | Reverse Solidus: http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/
>> | http://bbrace.net
>>
>> { brad brace } <<<<< bbrace@eskimo.com >>>> ~finger for pgp
>>
>> * http://www.bloglines.com/blog/bbrace
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> +
>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
>> +
>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
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> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
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> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>

> Seems like they have more than enough New Media Nonsense
> Funding as it is: The Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual
> Arts, The Greenwall Foundation, the Jerome Foundation, the
> LEF Foundation, the National Endowment for the Arts, the New
> York City Department of Cultural Affairs, and the New York
> State Council on the Arts.

My understanding is that all or almost all of this is to commission work by
artists, not for things like bandwidth or administration or fees to jo or
helen etc.

For all the quality work they do, turb is a very small organization done by
three or four people, is a labour of love. They haven't asked for cash
before and I don't think they would be asking unless they really needed it.
Hopefully donations will also help them secure an operating budget grant, if
such money is available anywhere, ie, people donating will indicate to
granting organizations that turb is seriously supported by artists.

ja

That funding does not go towards supporting Turbulence as an organisation but to the
artists commissioned and supported. If we, as artists do not try to support Turbulence
during this time we are biting one of the the few hands that feed us.

Some of the recent cynical comments to their appeal have been disgraceful, particularly
when a major reoccurring theme on this list is how little support there is for artists.

Turbulence supports new, global and diverse works through providing space, promotion
and commissioning. They have a wonderful open curatorial policy: where any artist at
any stage can be supported and which is not constrained by physical location, gender,
'fame' or thematics . If we sit and let them go under because they have prioritised their
time gaining funding for artists and not themselves, we will lose one of the most valuable
resources available to digital artists.

Please give something back, no matter how small.

jess.


> > Seems like they have more than enough New Media Nonsense
> > Funding as it is: The Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual
> > Arts, The Greenwall Foundation, the Jerome Foundation, the
> > LEF Foundation, the National Endowment for the Arts, the New
> > York City Department of Cultural Affairs, and the New York
> > State Council on the Arts.
> >
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Hi Jess,

Not to put too fine a point on it (and somebody correct me if I'm wrong), but most of Turbulence's funding doesn't go to global works, but to artists in New York and Minneapolis, due to the requirements of their funding organizations.

from http://turbulence.org/guidelines.html :
"Because of the geographic focus of our funders, commissions are most often made to artists who reside in the city of New York or in the state of Minnesota."

The guest curators that turbulence selects are indeed free to focus on art made by artists outside of those two areas, but having your work featured by a Turbulence guest curator doesn't get you any grant money (unless I'm missing something).

I'm not saying turbulence is not worth supporting (even though they refused to let me deep link Corey Arcangel's Data Diaries!) I actuly take credit for pointing Yoshi Sodeoka in their direction. (And while we're on the subject, I also take credit for pointing Joshua Davis in the direction of Ars Electronica.) But enough about me and my mad meta-curatorial sub-radar hook up skillz. This post is not about me, nor about my bling-ability (which I assure you is well above 380 degreez), nor about the lack of sleep I've gotten in the last two days, and least of all about the ways in which sleep deprivation dramatically affects my writing style, skewing it toward the rambling and inane, as if I'm only writing to amuse myself, often doing great violence to the topic at hand, to say nothing of my readers, to whom I probably also offhandedly do a modicum of violence (albeit metaphorical), which some might consider just plain stupid, and like, I totally, like 100% agree.

sincerely,
the mascara snake

_



Jess wrote:
That funding does not go towards supporting Turbulence as an organisation but to the
artists commissioned and supported. If we, as artists do not try to support Turbulence
during this time we are biting one of the the few hands that feed us.

Some of the recent cynical comments to their appeal have been disgraceful, particularly
when a major reoccurring theme on this list is how little support there is for artists.

Turbulence supports new, global and diverse works through providing space, promotion
and commissioning. They have a wonderful open curatorial policy: where any artist at
any stage can be supported and which is not constrained by physical location, gender,
'fame' or thematics . If we sit and let them go under because they have prioritised their
time gaining funding for artists and not themselves, we will lose one of the most valuable
resources available to digital artists.

Please give something back, no matter how small..

Folks,
Regardless of appearance,
Except for a couple of us,
We're pretty much all near broke and need the cash.
I know I got a little aggressive with money lately with the movie coming
out and all. That's another story - none there, either.
I wish we could all get the support,
But to textually jump in front of another crosses the line a bit.
I hope that the discussion that's going on here is a reflection that
we're still committed to one another and while we're competitive for
what each of us can get, we're not being cutthroat about it.

Can we also think about how there are funding models that can benefit
larger numbers of us rather than individuals?

This is a real possibility for a good discussion, and can turn this
little ping into something positive.

Sorry to be so quiet; the new foray into academia has me blindly busy.


Patrick Lichty
Editor-In-Chief
Intelligent Agent Magazine
http://www.intelligentagent.com
1556 Clough Street, #28
Bowling Green, OH 43402
225 288 5813
voyd@voyd.com

>
> The guest curators that turbulence selects are indeed free to focus on
> art made by artists outside of those two areas, but having your work
> featured by a Turbulence guest curator doesn't get you any grant money
> (unless I'm missing something).
>
neither do the curators get any money, at least i didn't. but it is a
platform for both to have work represented. Many, many (invitational)
exhibitions in the US pay little more than shipping and insurance (and
sometimes that's not even a given). And forget about most juried shows
that "steal" entry fees from at least half of the people submitting.
just a couple of thoughts.
ryan

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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">hi curt,</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; Not to put too fine a point on it (and somebody correct me if I'm wrong), but most of
Turbulence's funding doesn't go to global works, but to artists in New York and Minneapolis, due to the requirements of their funding organizations.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">no, you're not wrong but not entirely right either:)</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt"> I'm was really talking about the width of their support rather than the depths of their
wallets. It's true that some of their funding bodies demand that the commissions are
geographically focused, but not all are.&#160; Commissioned artists/groups in last couple of
years (I believe) include around 10 artist/groups not based in ny or minnesota. I'd say
thats a ratio above most. In addition the commissioning juries almost always have an
international dimension as do the artists studios -&#160; but mostly when I say support, I don't
simply mean financial, i mean the promotion, the studios, the web space etc </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; The guest curators that turbulence selects are indeed free to focus on art made by artists
outside of those two areas, but having your work featured by a Turbulence guest curator doesn't get you any grant money (unless I'm missing something).</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">no, but i don't think that would be offered or expected by most artists/curators
anyway…?. its the free focus that is so rare and a resource. </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; I'm not saying turbulence is not worth supporting </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">no, I understand that.I admit my mail was a knee-jerk reaction to the 'why the hell should
we we?' vibe that was popping up…</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">sleepness night are good for the soul and rambling and inane writing is a life choice for
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">cheers,</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">jess</span></font></div>
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