RE: [SPAM] RHIZOME_RAW: miles davis and new media

<div>Hello Eric,</div>
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<div>I normally read through most material that goes through the list and
don't reply, mainly due to time constraints,&nbsp; or because others
often say it before I get to the keyboard.&nbsp; But you have made a
remark that I find the need to comment on, partly because it is a bit
problematic.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>You write:</div>
<div>"Perhaps because he's black, from a culture we just don't get, we
will then escape the stupidity of our fathers history.<BR>No. That does
not work. We have to face the reality of Miles Davis, and cringe in our
failures.<BR>New media is nothing, and there are cultures far advanced
of us."<BR>————-</div>
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<div>You are here assuming that everyone else on the list is not black, it
appears.&nbsp; Who is "we" exactly?&nbsp; This is the main reason why I
am writing.&nbsp; Please reflect on what your statement really
implies.&nbsp; There is no need to defend yourself, but the statement
is problematic.</div>
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<div>And since I&nbsp;already writing,&nbsp;I will also say that I am
heavily involved with music&nbsp;and Miles is one of my&nbsp;main Jazz
influences.&nbsp; I am familiar with both discs that you mention and I
think&nbsp;that they are truly incredible pieces of art.&nbsp; But I am
not sure why you place him in opposition to new media.&nbsp; Miles was
actually very interested in what was going on in contemporary
culture.&nbsp; His last album&nbsp;from 1991, which you may already
know,&nbsp;explored the relationship of&nbsp;Hip Hop with Be-Bop.&nbsp;
He named the Album Doo-Bop.&nbsp; Check the word: <A
href="http://www.sweeting.org/mark/mp3/Miles_Davis/Doo-Bop.html">http://www.sweeting.org/mark/mp3/Miles_Davis/Doo-Bop.html</A></div>
<div>It was produced with Kool-Mo-Be.&nbsp; It is a remarkable synthesis
between&nbsp;loops, samples and improvizational jazz, including two
tracks&nbsp;produced posthumously around his sampled trumpet solos, and
which are indistinguishable&nbsp;from his other compositions,
which&nbsp;where improvised in the studio.&nbsp; Miles embraced what
his culture offered him at the same time that he contributed to enhance
it by making&nbsp;material for the&nbsp;future&nbsp;with what was new in
his own time.&nbsp;&nbsp;He embraced the new, just like any other
creative cat would and should do.&nbsp;&nbsp;So let's not put&nbsp;him
on&nbsp;a pedestal in opposition to theoriticians or emerging
technologies.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Eduardo</div>
<div>&nbsp;<BR></div>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT:
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[SPAM] RHIZOME_RAW: miles davis and new media<BR>From: "Eric Dymond"
&lt;e.dymond@sympatico.ca&gt;<BR>Date: Thu, August 05, 2004 9:40
pm<BR>To: list@rhizome.org<BR><BR>Miles and the Virtual<BR><BR>Tonight,
not unlike any other night I have been listening to Miles
Davis.<BR>Tonight I played Miles Davis Live from Montreaux and Kinda
Blue.<BR>Why do &nbsp;these sounds escape the rules of virtual
encoding?<BR>How is it that a mere human being can so deftly craft art
that easily escapes the rules of new media.<BR>He destroys Benjamin,
Gutarri, Deleuze and the rest.And he does it so easily. Why?
How?<BR>Does he see the world in a panoplay so different than the
rest?<BR>Does he escape human boundaries?<BR>Apparently he does. So
what are we left with?<BR>Maybe we should force ourselves to ignore
him. Banish him because he does not follow the new order.<BR>How do we
fit Miles Davis into the new media history.<BR>Perhaps because he's
black, from a culture we just don't get, we will then escape the
stupidity of our fathers history.<BR>No. That does not work. We have to
face the reality of Miles Davis, and cringe in our failures.<BR>New
media is nothing, and there are cultures far advanced of
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