Hey - if this $ thing is such an issue - why don't the people who are
so inclined not to pay a mere $5 found their own community-based new
media site of some sort or just converse for free w/ the people they
already know in the industry? i don't get the argument really : if you
want to join costco to by inexpensive mayonnaise in 5 gallon jugs - you
pay like $35 a year and get all these deals in the club > if you don't
like that business model, or if you don't want the products they have
there, then you usually go to the local grocery store instead
it's a nearly-free country
> Hi all,
>
> below:
>
> On May 24, 2004, at 3:11 PM, ryan griffis wrote:
>
>>> I undestand the push for removing the $5 but I dont think it would
>>> solve the underlying questions, if the choice is an org which is
>>> dependent on unaccountable trust funds or membership based, the
>>> latter is so much more what this whole community is about.
>>
>> certainly, i don't think t.whid's initial question was about "to pay
>> or not to pay." i think the idea is that for those of us who
>> consider
>> ourselves invested in Rhizome as an activity/forum, it would be
>> great if it could be expanded for temporary publics that may not be
>> interested in Rhizome as a long term community or as a participant,
>> but may have short term interests (research, curiosity, etc.).
>
> Ryan is correct. I don't think the fee is evil or bad, in fact, i
> think
> everyone should all donate by a factor of 5x the current fee (at
> least).
>
> What is bad is that it locks down the free-flow of info. By all means
> have a fee with features attached that don't interfere with free
> linkage.
>
> But, as Curt pointed out, you *can* link to individual articles. I
> tested this and it seems to be true (Francis please confirm). If you
> go
> here http://x-arn.org/artnode/ you can see a list of fresh texts
> (click Rhizome Fresh Texts) and you can also link to an RSS feed of
> these fresh texts.
>
> If you click on the links from the web site you go directly to the
> Rhiz
> article whether you're logged in or not. (For some reason when
> following links from my news reader I can't go directly to the
> article :( i go to the log-in screen )
>
> I was wrong, it seems anyone can link to any article and anyone can
> follow those links to the articles as long as the referrer isn't
> Rhizome or if the referrer doesn't exist. Is that how it works?
>
> The problem then, isn't IF you can link to Rhiz articles, it's that
> Rhiz doesn't seem to want non-members to link to Rhiz articles
> because they make it hard to do so by not providing the tools (RSS
> feeds with subjects/descriptions of articles).
>
> For example, if I'm a non-member of Rhizome, how do I decide I would
> like to link to an article on the home page? I see the headline, I
> see a short description, but I can't read the entire thing to
> decide.. unless someone (other than Rhiz) provides me with a link..
> or I make it
> myself..
>
> This is just kinda nutty functionality (i understand it was a
> compromise): only people other than Rhiz can provide access to
> non-members.
>
> +++
>
> or perhaps this is me just whining because I want a fully functioning
> Rhizome Raw in my news reader so I can clear out my email box ;-)
>
>
>> This is not a matter of whether members would/should pay for
>> supporting something they are part of, but is rather about WHAT
>> members are paying for. hence t.whid's concern about linking and the
>> future posterity of Rhizome as an active resource. Anyway, many
>> arguments about logistics and needs/desires could be made, and i'm
>> not making any at the moment (though those desiring feeds have my
>> ear), but i think it's important to not take the discussion back
>> to the $5 argument, as i don't think anyone is wanting to
>> financially desert Rhizome.
>> best,
>> ryan
>>
>
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