hi Michael,

I don't think it's necessary to remove any of this artwork – I just meant
that we should move on to the next project/s now. I think as a whole it's
pretty damn cool.

I don't think the discussion is "over" either –

best,
J


On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Michael Szpakowski wrote:

> HI Joy
> just so that we can be clear, are you saying you'd
> like us to take the mirrors/works down now?
> I've grown quite attached to my contribution and I'm a
> bit reluctant to bin it -plus I'd certainly like to
> keep my links page to others' work intact with perhaps
> a little reworking of the editorial -as you say, cause
> aside, there's some nice work.
> Obviously if you feel really strongly here then I for
> one will do whatever you wish but it would be a shame
> to see the "remix" pieces go, I think.
> best
> michael
> — Joy Garnett <joyeria@walrus.com> wrote:
> > Jo-Anne Green wrote:
> >
> > > I find myself feeling reluctant to see Joywar
> > continue.
> >
> > I too think that Joywar was a fantastic show of
> > ingenuity and solidarity,
> > and that perhaps our work is done here. I'm not
> > interested in turning it
> > into a bloodfest. We're artists, not insurgents.
> >
> > My original feeling stands: that
> > lawsuits–objections to sampling–of
> > this kind are not meritorious, that they are
> > ignorant and rooted in fear,
> > that they cramp and discourage creativity, that they
> > belong to an old,
> > dead world. My worries were met with a fantastic,
> > positive creative
> > onslaught. Clearly we are all on pretty much the
> > same page. Thanks to
> > everyone for your creative input, and for your
> > friendship ('cause I was
> > really freaked-out. thanx, I feel less so now).
> >
> > I think the main thing was that this "problem" was
> > turned
> > into a locus of creativity. It's important not to
> > lie down and be a
> > doormat everytime your principles are challenged. We
> > *are* living at the
> > forefront of a strange and exciting creative
> > revolution. It seems slow
> > and weird (it is) but taken as a whole, it's
> > exciting. call it growing
> > pains. I really don't believe I've done anything
> > wrong by making this
> > painting from a found image. There is nothing
> > immoral about doing what I
> > do. I will continue to sample media images and news
> > photographs. I have a
> > big new project on the front burner. And it's great
> > when your community
> > supports you.
> >
> > How cool is that? Let's move on now.
> >
> > (If something else bad happens, believe me you'll be
> > the first to know).
> >
> > So in the meantime,
> > yours in virtuosity –
> > Agent.Joy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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