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Laughter is corrective. But at what cost?

Why is the aphorism so respected? The shorter something is, the easier it is for the sticky brain to pick it up, to be virally infected by, no less. The aphorism is thus generally swallowed unquestioningly, while the lengthy argument is generally analyzed/criticized/refined. Furthermore, brevity is associated with some kind of humility, and length is never considered thoroughness, only generally intellectualism, academic esoteria, and pretense. I never stop to think how strange this belief is.

Why comics? Assassinate the cast when the audience is at the snack bar. "Shut up, Vijay." Ok, ok, ok…

I tend to open up and speak my mind more wherever I'm more respected. Perhaps we all do. This is unhealthy.

"I'm writing this after losing at the first round itself of an emcee battle (grand prize two fiddy dollazzzzz!!) to an angry white youth who flailed his arms a lot. He had a lot of coffeehouse white girls with him that cheered him on and shouted references to a movie called 8 Mile. Whomever receives the most cheers wins. I wish–" uttered this writer, until he choked to death on the BIC black medium point ball pen in his mouth.

<Correct me if I'm wrong, but> Dark humor seems to be merely a fascination of the Western middle class.

The assertion of the universality of the inchoative stasis of all things is not only complacent abstract thinking, but trivial and non-explanatory. A mere rearticulation. Maybe all thinking is just rearticulation. Maybe the sentence right before this one is complacent thinking, trivial and non-explanatory, a mere rearticulation.

Identity is multiplied when you shit.

The way I write 2.Moksha digests is that I write brief thoughts down, erase everything instantaneously with the "reset form" button, then just write whatever pieces I remembered.

I don't like to dwell too much on how 'enlightenment' may be escapism into qualified…cowardice. Nervous, shaking, hurry on. Hurry. Hurry.

These utterances are not as much viral aphorisms or quick-and-dirty thought sketches as inhibited, frightened, and brief forays into ____.

Nowadays, whenever I motion fold my hands to pray or reach my hands down to touch my genitals, I panic. I can't.

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D42 Kandinskij Dec. 5 2002 01:00Reply

On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Adam Reeves wrote:

> Vijay's right.

Vijay is very far from right.

> I want out too.

Then ask nicely without attemptig to attach
emotional stabs with the message.

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 5 2002 01:00Reply

On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Adam Reeves wrote:

> How do you spell 'irony'?

Powerless defensive automatic reaction,

(n) irony.: an adult defensive mechanism of late 20c / 21c
human apes who confuse spastic breain-reactions with humor

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 5 2002 01:00Reply

On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, joseph (yes) wrote:

> You were much closer before,

No dear. What we wrote was accurate + precise.

> my 'insecurity' is the task not accomplished.

Meaningless.

> Now I give you a weapon, so use it.

Ah yes, hit me where I've grown insensitive to my body.

No, don't worry. Soon you'll be so 'incensitive'
there will be no spot that hurts.

You've almost paid the price :)

Vijay Pattisapu Dec. 5 2002 01:00Reply

>The white middle class, what color is that? Which ethnic background? Who are
>they? They seem to be so evil, everybody hates them. If I am not one, then I
>want to avoid them. If I am one, then I need to start doing stupid and evil
>things.

because the white middle class never did stupid and evil things
things and also oh yeah what did you want to tell me?

>I seem to be orange and pink, with blue shadows.

What a fun little game! Let's play, then!

>I don't have any money, so

Aw. You want some? I got extra. It's okay, really.

>maybe I am the pink lower class. Pretty in pink. My wife is orange and purple,

Wow

>with green shadows. Maybe togethor we are the pink and green class - wasn't

hmm are you doing a stupid thing?

>that a 'preppy' color scheme? We are the preppie class. For what are we
>preparing?

Not stupid and evil things haha I'm a fool I know…ok, ok…

>Are the white middle class the 'they'. I bet they are not the 'other'. My

What a way with words! You should start replacing your "s"'s with "z"'s…

>wife's brother once told me I couldn't be one of 'them', but I don't think I am
>an 'other'. As you can tell, I am so confused.

Didn't mean to confuse you. Just shot a few words out into space…

>I talked to my sister the other day. On the telephone. She is into pink. She

Pink's pretty nice.

>has a big house and big car. She thinks I am pornographic. Did I mention she is
>into pink?

Pornographic?


Really, though, I never intended to come off as some kind of champion of the proletariat or something…it was just a thought. What do you think dark humor is, then, and why do you think it's only appreciated here by coffeehouse college kids (hehe didn't use k's on all three…a joke!a joke!!) in the USA? I dunno. I apologize if I offended anyone.

–Vijay

P.S., only vague correlate I could find was the portrayal of domestic violence in Tamil popular stage drama, but it's not as much 'humorous' as a complicated (perhaps)cathartic mix of Shakespearean comedy sensibilities with the Sanksrit rasa theory of drama…I myself don't understand it completely…if anyone on the list does, could you explain it to us?
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>
>> Do not read:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Laughter is corrective. But at what cost?
>>
>> Why is the aphorism so respected? The shorter something is, the easier it is
>> for the sticky brain to pick it up, to be virally infected by, no less. The
>> aphorism is thus generally swallowed unquestioningly, while the lengthy
>> argument is generally analyzed/criticized/refined. Furthermore, brevity is
>> associated with some kind of humility, and length is never considered
>> thoroughness, only generally intellectualism, academic esoteria, and
>> pretense. I never stop to think how strange this belief is.
>>
>> Why comics? Assassinate the cast when the audience is at the snack bar.
>> "Shut up, Vijay." Ok, ok, ok…
>>
>> I tend to open up and speak my mind more wherever I'm more respected. Perhaps
>> we all do. This is unhealthy.
>>
>> "I'm writing this after losing at the first round itself of an emcee battle
>> (grand prize two fiddy dollazzzzz!!) to an angry white youth who flailed his
>> arms a lot. He had a lot of coffeehouse white girls with him that cheered him
>> on and shouted references to a movie called 8 Mile. Whomever receives the
>> most cheers wins. I wish–" uttered this writer, until he choked to death on
>> the BIC black medium point ball pen in his mouth.
>>
>> <Correct me if I'm wrong, but> Dark humor seems to be merely a fascination of
>> the Western middle class.
>>
>> The assertion of the universality of the inchoative stasis of all things is
>> not only complacent abstract thinking, but trivial and non-explanatory. A
>> mere rearticulation. Maybe all thinking is just rearticulation. Maybe the
>> sentence right before this one is complacent thinking, trivial and
>> non-explanatory, a mere rearticulation.
>>
>> Identity is multiplied when you shit.
>>
>> The way I write 2.Moksha digests is that I write brief thoughts down, erase
>> everything instantaneously with the "reset form" button, then just write
>> whatever pieces I remembered.
>>
>> I don't like to dwell too much on how 'enlightenment' may be escapism into
>> qualified…cowardice. Nervous, shaking, hurry on. Hurry. Hurry.
>>
>> These utterances are not as much viral aphorisms or quick-and-dirty thought
>> sketches as inhibited, frightened, and brief forays into ____.
>>
>> Nowadays, whenever I motion fold my hands to pray or reach my hands down to
>> touch my genitals, I panic. I can't.
>>
>> _____________________________________________________________________
>> If you ______, kindly refrain from ______ing www.2moksha.com . Thanks
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D42 Kandinskij Dec. 5 2002 01:00Reply

>
> Can you guys please have your moot argument privately. I am tired of
> emails waisting my box about someone wanting to be smart and another guy
> wanting everyone else too know he is so smart that he can rip threw
> anybody and everybody. I think I have become dumber just by reading you
> pathetic flame war.

Actually Vijay. That's not what's going on.
This is not an argument nor is it up to you to determine 'mootness'.
Nor is this about 'smartness'. If you're tired, take a break.
If you've become 'dumber' it is your own responsibility.

And the one engaging in a pathetic flame war is you.

If you want your e-mail box not contacted, you can say so nicely.
Without the rest of the trash.

joseph mcelroy Dec. 5 2002 01:00Reply

Quoting Vijay Pattisapu <disco@junglist.com>:


> because the white middle class never did stupid and evil things
> things and also oh yeah what did you want to tell me?

of course they did, so did every other class…why single one out?

> >I seem to be orange and pink, with blue shadows.
>
> What a fun little game! Let's play, then!

OK - why would I be orange and pink, with blue shadows? Because my 'sight' or
'perception' sees those colors when looking at my skin. Seeing 'white' is
clouded vision (cultural conditioning perhaps). Even using 'flesh' color from
the crayola box is clouded. If you look at the spectrum of 'white' people,
they vary tremendously in color hue, saturation, and contrast. What exactly are
you saying when you say middle class white people? Are you talking about an
italian, irish, jew, russian, other ethic type? Or perhaps you really are
referring to a mindset - naive, ignorant, blaise, etc? Or some characteristic
behavior that we are supposed to assume all middle class white people engage
in?

>
> >I don't have any money, so
>
> Aw. You want some? I got extra. It's okay, really.

I stated a temporary finacial condition and did not request assistance on your
part. Lack of money is not a reason for sarcasm, unless perhaps you are a
'middle class white person' (defined based upon a behavior)


> >maybe I am the pink lower class. Pretty in pink. My wife is orange and
> purple,
>
> Wow

My wife is african-american, they tend to be orange, yellow ochre, purple in my
vision. Occasional I will see a deep burnt umber, blue black. How about you?

>
> >with green shadows. Maybe togethor we are the pink and green class - wasn't

Very often the shadows on the human skin are a cool complement of the primary
skin color.

>
> hmm are you doing a stupid thing?

Are you?

>
> >that a 'preppy' color scheme? We are the preppie class. For what are we
> >preparing?

Ok, bad joke.

>
> >Are the white middle class the 'they'. I bet they are not the 'other'. My
>
> What a way with words! You should start replacing your "s"'s with "z"'s…

I am a cabinet maker, a house painter, a man with big hands. My words are tools
used to build packages (of information) - sometimes I miss the nail with the
hammer (wince) - but I seldom miss twice. Tools are very often missing to open
the packages by the reciever. Occasionally I ship tools.

>
> Didn't mean to confuse you. Just shot a few words out into space…

You didn't. It was said with rolling eyes.


>
> Pink's pretty nice.
>
> Pornographic?

"Into Pink" is a sexual reference.

>
>
> Really, though, I never intended to come off as some kind of champion of the
> proletariat or something…it was just a thought. What do you think dark
> humor is, then, and why do you think it's only appreciated here by
> coffeehouse college kids (hehe didn't use k's on all three…a joke!a joke!!)
> in the USA? I dunno. I apologize if I offended anyone.

You did not offend - just perhaps the problem lies not with the audience.
Performance poetry is usually won with charisma, not content.

> P.S., only vague correlate I could find was the portrayal of domestic
> violence in Tamil popular stage drama, but it's not as much 'humorous' as a
> complicated (perhaps)cathartic mix of Shakespearean comedy sensibilities with
> the Sanksrit rasa theory of drama…I myself don't understand it
> completely…if anyone on the list does, could you explain it to us?

My education is in the hands and eyes.

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D42 Kandinskij Dec. 6 2002 01:00Reply

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Vijay Gorrepati wrote:

> Did anyone invite you?

Yes dear. You did. You made a public undirected post.

> What I do remember is joseph(yes) saying something and you taking it
> upon yourself to tear it apart. So its apparent that invitations arent
> necessary or required.

Certainly they are.

> p.s. Asking if someone is invited in a conversation is such a programmed response produced by threated beasts. i guess you are what you preach everyone else is.

No dearest. It isn't.

Don't you remember? Moksha is liberation in action, not from_ action.
You have no capacity to perceive programmed responses.

Now don't be pissy because we won't do as you say.

xo.

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 6 2002 01:00Reply

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Vijay Gorrepati wrote:

> Nope, no capacity at all..

None. And sarcasm isn't going to get you any.

> guess I will just fade like everyone else.

You're forgiven.

> oh yeah, you never did answer my question.

We are not obliged to answer anything.

> who DID invite you to the conversation since invitations ARE required.

It wasn't a conversation, love. You posted an undirected message.

> p.s. i wont deal myself with inferior beings,

The only 'inferior' being here is you, love.
And you will never achieve superiority proper until you walk down the
street and realize what runs every human, and that you, dearest
are un-worthy of the attention of the most destitute beggar,
the most illiterate and uneducated human.

The king is the beggar, Vijay. The king is the beggar.
Can't you see him behind the eyes?

> an opinion as to be heard to be expressed….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That is not so. Besides, dear, we have no opinions,
nor do we 'express' anything. You project like others,
your own 'interpretations'–rather how you'd_
act in the situation if you were I. But I are not you.

Besides, dear, you're flipping out like all others
after failing to dictate behavior directly. Now you
fancy that you're 'needed' (Hello, Mr. Foltz), so you
see, 'you' won't offer your 'ear' unless we behave
like you want us to (passive-aggressive control).
Hello, Ms. Joseph.

Tak + tak.

Now we sing:

http://www.god-emil.dk/~333/simply.html

It's a lovely thing masochism isn't it?
I will self-destruct in order to attempt to control you.
I will self-destruct rather than treat you properly.
O, I will self-debase, I will knee-jerk, I will
be sarcastic, ironic, asshole, I will 'laugh'
HAHA, it's so funny, like a kick in the stomach,
butterflies, HAHA, it's so funny, oh-oh
now I think I damage the other, and I fail to
see how I am only damaging myself, 0, HAHA,
have you seen the moon lately, 0, HAHA,
dear Vijay, watch yourself behave like the
white middle-class that you are, indeed.
0 HA HA it's a virus, isn't it?
I will self-destruct because I just cannot
give up that I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
that program that runs me, ah oh, HAHA.
That SELF-IMPORTANCE SELF-PITY PROGRAM.

I will rebel, rebel, ah -ah ah.
Waxing and waning, left & right.
Have you seen the moon Vijay?
In the reflected light of the sicle-edge,
the sunset looks like a sunrise, and it feels
like love, ah finally it feels like love.
Ah finally, it feels like love, liberty, and
brotherhood, ah. Dear little soldats.
The revolution and freedom. Simply Superior.

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D42 Kandinskij Dec. 6 2002 01:00Reply

> This is funny.

Ach. Like a kick in the stomach.
One feels 'butterflies'.
Fu-u-u-n-ny.
Ultra hilarious.
Dark hu-mor.

joseph mcelroy Dec. 6 2002 01:00Reply

Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:

>
> > This is funny.
>
> Ach. Like a kick in the stomach.
> One feels 'butterflies'.
> Fu-u-u-n-ny.
> Ultra hilarious.
> Dark hu-mor.

A funny poem.

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D42 Kandinskij Dec. 6 2002 01:00Reply

> A funny poem.

Were you invited in this conversation?

joseph mcelroy Dec. 6 2002 01:00Reply

Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:

>
> > A funny poem.
>
> Were you invited in this conversation?

I agreed with your answer.

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D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

> Can someone please stop this guy.

> he's insane

> Can someone please stop this guy.

> he's insane

> and pissing off all of us

Anger is an emotion arising within you entirely.

> (I hope, at least he's pissing me off).

It speaks for all + hopes everyone is 'like it'.

> I hope he'll find another hobby

This is not a hobby. Nor do we engage in hobbies.

> soon instead of writing those idiotic emails 24/7…

The only one writing idiotic emails is you, love.

> anyone agrees?

Anyone agrees? Says the herd.

> so let's take action!

Bleat.

rolf van gelder Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

An artist? Huh?

Did I miss something?

Where's his art then?

Or are those emails his art?

"-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:

> And so the ape Adam Reeves 'writes,' having no 'interest' in us,
> indeed.
>
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Adam Reeves wrote:
> > oh, Rolf, we can't stop him! He's an artist!
>
> Surely we are, dear. Sarcastic self-debasement only reflects your own
> idiocy.
>
> > And a genius! We can only bow to his superior intellect.
>
> We are neithera 'genius' nor intellectual.
> Yet the ape will continue projecting + fancying
> that 'sarcasm' damages anyone but itself.
>
> > After all, if he didn't tell us what was wrong with us, we'd never know.
>
> You have no capacity to know currently + are debasing yourself further
> from it.
>
> > Thank god for this bastard who defiles the name 'Kandinski!'
>
> Excuse us dearest. We do not engage in acts of 'defilement'.
> Avoid attempting to emotionally knee-jerk some 'righteous' cause.
> We have perfect rights to bear the name Kandinskij.
> Your lack of awareness + infantile idiocy are not 'intelligent'
> nor 'poignant' nor 'funny'.
>
> Off goes the masochistic Adams's self-destructive knee-jerk.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

And so the ape Adam Reeves 'writes,' having no 'interest' in us,
indeed.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Adam Reeves wrote:
> oh, Rolf, we can't stop him! He's an artist!

Surely we are, dear. Sarcastic self-debasement only reflects your own
idiocy.

> And a genius! We can only bow to his superior intellect.

We are neithera 'genius' nor intellectual.
Yet the ape will continue projecting + fancying
that 'sarcasm' damages anyone but itself.

> After all, if he didn't tell us what was wrong with us, we'd never know.

You have no capacity to know currently + are debasing yourself further
from it.

> Thank god for this bastard who defiles the name 'Kandinski!'

Excuse us dearest. We do not engage in acts of 'defilement'.
Avoid attempting to emotionally knee-jerk some 'righteous' cause.
We have perfect rights to bear the name Kandinskij.
Your lack of awareness + infantile idiocy are not 'intelligent'
nor 'poignant' nor 'funny'.

Off goes the masochistic Adams's self-destructive knee-jerk.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Rolf van Gelder wrote:

> An artist? Huh?

Tak.

You're incapable of judging 'artists'.

> Did I miss something?

Missing is all you do.

> Where's his art then?

Sai the very self-important competitively 'enraged' ape.

> Or are those emails his art?

You are my art, dear.

rolf van gelder Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

"-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Rolf van Gelder wrote:
>
> > An artist? Huh?
>
> Tak.
>
> You're incapable of judging 'artists'.
>
> > Did I miss something?
>
> Missing is all you do.
>
> > Where's his art then?
>
> Sai the very self-important competitively 'enraged' ape.
>
> > Or are those emails his art?
>
> You are my art, dear.

> You are my art, dear.

First line of the 500.000 you sent to Rhizome that makes sense……
Congrats!

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Rolf van Gelder wrote:

> First line of the 500.000 you sent to Rhizome that makes sense……

No, dearest. All of what we send makes sense.
Your illiteracy is your own problem.

Tak.

Additionally, you're not capable of perceiving what makes sense.

Your self-important egotistical posturing on the other hand..

now there's something..

..WITHOUT EXISTENCE.

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

> oh yeah, you have me all wrong.

No we don't, love.

> I DONT want everyone to behave like i want.

So you declare.

> I dont want anything from you or anyone else on this mailing list
> (except for vijay p to freestyle for me).

So you declare.

> all i got is love,

You're not capable of love (yet).
Desire is not love.

> have fun in your quest for affirmation,

We are not on a quest for affirmation, dear.
Keep your misinterpretations of our behavior to yourself.

> cause you got it from me.

Affirmation or negation of another is an attempt at control baby.

Human behavior is not subject to another's 'opinion'.

Perpetuation of delusions is driven by desire.

Affirming or denying another is based on a childish
+ undeveloped sexual drive which seeks 'reflection' in
another, much like a child looks up to its parents.

Additionally : you're knee-jerking from your self-importance,
fancying that you are someone who can_ affirm another.

Relate to us without infantilism, if you can.


`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vijay Gorrepati wrote:

> > There is no we, ape.
>
> Childish name calling, I thought you were above that.

Certainly. There is no childish name calling in the above statement.
Your reaction is to misinterpret the above as such,
which is your action, and your responsibility
+ then attempt to hold us responsible for it.

It doesn't work that way.

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vijay Gorrepati wrote:


> yo big wake up baby. I'm up. I'm up. take down this info. tell your girl to remember this or something. flight 504 leaving kennedy to the LAX. Ooooh, calli. yo big we gotta sell this shit. big get up, IM UP.

Meaningless ape posturing.

> the beggar is all, cause we are never happy.

There is no we, ape.

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vijay Gorrepati wrote:

> i cant relate, i am an ape, as you have labelled me.

You haven't been labeled, love.

> an ape that cant love and is prone to bouts of infantilism. damn, you
> got me perfectly. you know me so well, you sure you dont live in Jester.

Meaningless defensive sarcasm.

> i am guessing your the opposite..

Everything functions in opposites, ne?

> it seems you have certain rights that you think others shouldnt.

I don't think, dear. Nor is any of the above occurring.

> guess your special.

Standard knee-jerk.


> have you ever had ONE original thought in your life,

Standard knee-jerk.

> or are you like a robot in that you just gather information from other
> "thinkers"

You're talking about yourself, baby.

> then talk big by throwing out their terminology.

Nobody owns terminology, love. Nor am I doing anything of the above.
Nor are you capable of obsrrving us.

> its really bad when i can go threw each one of your emails
> and pick out which person you took their diagnoses from. and yes, I can.

No, dearest, you cannot, stomp your feets as you please :)


> this ape can read as well.

No, dear, you're illiterate.

> you are so far from the truth its sad, but hey, believe what you want, because thats all you "have."

No dear, we are not 'far from the truth' at all.
Nor are you capable of judging others.
Nor do we engage in beliefs.

Keep your 'badass' standard projectional attempts at insults
to yourself.

> p.s. next time you call BIG ape talk,
> vijay pattisapu (MFDISCO for the disheartened) is gonna bust you up. i
> know for a fact, because he has done it before.

Bust us up? Doubtful that.

Nor do you 'know' anything, as Vijay hasn't done anything of the sort :)

And yes, you are_ acting like an enraged ape.

Wink.

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vijay Gorrepati wrote:

> oh yeah, stop using we in your posts.

Er, avoid dictating what we should do, love.

> because from where i am standing, the only person responding is YOU.

No, dear. Nothing of the sort is occuring.
Nor are you capable of perceiving how 'many' are speaking :)

> therefore when i speak its directed at you.

Too bad there is no 'me'?

> there is no one behind you, just yourself.

Ah, the tough talk.

> there is no one with you, you are alone on this one. so stop trying to
> act like you are part of some group, when you are not.

We are a group, baby.

> p.s. now when are you actually going to say something in your posts.

Cheap territorial posturing.


> this has gone on for about 3-4 days, and you have one post where you
> have actually said something.

Drivel.

> everything else is just you breaking down posts and using other peoples ideas in trying to "diagnose" these people. i have been waiting patiently, but maybe you are incapable of expressing yourself without falling on that cruch. i didnt want to beleive, but i guess its true.

Keep your myopic hyped-ape delusional misinterpretations to yourself,
illiterate ape.

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vijay Pattisapu wrote:

> 1-You probably didn't get confused, but Vijay _–__Gorrepati_–__ is different from me, Vijay Pattisapu. Hope everyone knew dat.

Yes, I noticed it's a different person.

> 2-What is tak?

Tak is tak.

> 3-Who is Foltz?

Somebody famous.

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vijay Gorrepati wrote:

> Sorry for the spam, but I just got to end this.
> Anyways, one quick question Kman. What is your goal in all this? What
> was your purpose in breaking down joseph(yes)'s original post?

That is not what we did.

> What is your purpose in breaking each email and throwing different
> theories about why the people said them.

We have engaged in no such activity.

> Do you feel better letting others know what their faults are.

Cheap attempts at accusation about nothing we ever did.

> Or maybe its something as barbaric as you want other people to know you
> have been reading other peoples ideas, ideas that you think others can
> not comprehend.

Ah. The ape attempts to be subtly suggestive.
No dear, it's nothing of the sort.
Your myopic self-debasory knee-jerks are your own problem.

> therefore flexing your supposed intellect.

We are not interested in 'flexing anything'.
Nor are we engaged in any of the above behavior.

> I would rather give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.

So gracious of you to condescend.
Too bad, you're not capable of perceiving others besides yourself>

> See, I know I prolly dont know you that well after 5 emails. but hey,
> you think you know me.

I don't think, dear. Nor do I 'think I know you'.

> p.s. the capacity and capability of one to love is not based on age,

Did we say anyhing about age?

> time, or enviroment.

Did we imply anything of the sort?

> Its based on experiences,

You don't know anything about love, dear.

> and therefore its impossible for you to know if I can love or not.

Actually it is quite possible.
And you are not.


> That was a silly comment on your part, as you have no idea what I have
> or have not experienced.

Silly? Should we feel ashamed?
But the comment was accurate :)

> Just because you think

We don't think.

> I fit into one of your self made categories

We are not fitting you into categories, love.
Nor anyone.

> does not mean you know anything about it.

Yes, but we do know.

> and also, i am not threatened nor was i ever.

No, you're not threatened at all.. just throwing
blind defensive moves left and right.

> just humored, and entertained.

You're neither humored, nor entertained.
Pose as you will, however.

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Alex Sullivan wrote:


> WOULD YOU PEOPLE JUST LOOK AT YOURSELVES!

Ah look. A "general' approach with regards to 'our' statements.

> First of all I would think that the word "friends" could be used in this
> forum. But since some people took offense to that term,

No offense taking is going on.
Friendship is not automatic.


> With it, the addresses of "love" and "dear" are no longer fashionable
> since they are used primarily for show.

We do not use those terms or 'others' for show.

> Second, the very broad statements such as "you are not yet able to love"

This was not a very broad statement. It was precise + accurate.


> and many others should be explained.

Ah. More orders. No, thanks.

> That statement can't stand alone.
> It is no heroic couplet. If you want your
> broad statements understood, then give them some context.

Meaningless schoolyard propaganda.

> Third, I think you people should see what your doing.

We see exactly what we are doing.

> And what you're doing is nothing more than insulting each other.

We are not insulting anyone.
We also avoid speaking for everyone.

> Each email after email just tries to top the others by sounding more intellectual.

We are not intellectual.

> What you're doing in all actuallity is just a more cerebral version of throwing "yo-mama" jokes back
> and forth to no end.

No, this is your knee-jerk misinterpretation of the situation.

> Using terms like "love" in order to pull the other
> closer so you can stab them harder.

We do not stab anyone.
We have written extensively that when one ATTACKS another
one only ATTACKS oneself. If you feel 'stabbed' you should
examine your own behavior :)

> Philosophers have spent milennia,
> building off each other or building foundations of their own, in order to
> reach some higher understanding.

Have they?

> And not to gain profound knowledge of how to insult someone.

We are not insulting anyone.

> The only direction that this collective conversation is going towards is becoming enemies.

We are neither enemies nor frends.

> Fourth, I refuse to get into a back and forth battle with anyone.

That would be why you pretend like you're not speaking about
anyone in particular and 'addres the people'.

> I am not
> one to stand around the circle cheering for someone to beat the shit out of
> another person.

But you sure engage in sideways verbal jabs without direct
confrontation.

> Not like last night outside my window, not like right now in
> my email. I am not one for armed conflict.

Can we have it unarmed?

> I may have insulted some people
> in this email, but my intention was to hold up a mirror.

You're not capable of 'holding up mirrors'.

> I'm confident that
> everyone receiving this has enough self-esteem to handle whatever they see
> in the reflection.

Yes, which is projections of your genetics, cultural
conditioning and ego attempted to be forced as presentations
of others.

You've a lot of work to do before youcan 'hold up mirrors' love.

And one who 'holds up mirrors' doesn't
'hold up mirrors' and 'fuck off' with the responsibility
towards the one they're reflecting.

Rather the opposite, mirroring involves a GREAT responsibility.

Please avoid attempting to misuse 'mirrors'
in an attempt to pass on what you typed up as 'true'.

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Adam Reeves wrote:

> If you have something to say to Alex, to Vijay, or to anyone, please say it
> to them only.

We do, dear, we do.

> I have no interest in your back and forths,

And the below is because youhave no interest?
Or are you saying that you have no interest in order to send
a massive attempt at offense, and pre-empt any sort of action
on the recepient's end?

> your underhand self-aggrandizing,

We are not underhanded, nor self-aggrandazing.
Keep your self-debasing projections to yourself.

> and your pseudo-intellectual witless retorts.

We are not 'pseudo-intellectual' or 'intellectual' even.
We are not 'witless' nor do we engage in retorts.

> You are a hack.

We are not a hack, love nor are you anywhere near the capacity
to make observations on such matters.

> You have absolutely nothing of value to say to me so stop talking to
> me.

More juvenile attempts at pre-emption of action.
You, dear, are not capable of discerning value, nor does
value revolve around your ego.

> It's worse than Alex's "yo mama" metaphor; it's playground
> defensiveness - "I know you are, but what am I?"

No, dear, it isn't. Nothing of the sort is going on.

> You talk about passive-agressiveness,

Yes, and unlike you, dear, we know_ what we're talking about.

> you talk about stunted intellectual growth.

We have never talked about stunted intellectual growth.

> Puh-fucking-lease.

Passive-aggressiveness.

> You send me and everyone else your drivel,

We do not send drivel, love.

> and I'm confident that I'm not alone

You're confident that there are many, many, many who support you.
Or are you attempting passive-aggressive censorship?

> in not wanting to get it in my mailbox.

There are many many who care about the content of your mailbox?

> Leave me out of it. It's easy.

Tak. If that's all you wanted, you could have said so.
But instead you want to pass all of this attached to the above.

> I don't have to ask nicely.

Yes dear, you do have to ask nicely.
When you speak or write to use, you will have to act nicely.

We do not 'follow examples'.

> love of utmost sincerity,

You're not capable of either, love.

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Alex Sullivan wrote:

> QUESTION:
> I am assuming that there is a Homo sapien some where responding to all of
> these emails, among other assumtions.

All erroneous.

> The english language is flawed but in common usage some terms have become more definite, yet another assumption.

Another completely meaningless sentence.

You were not interested in speaking to us>

> For the Homo sapien responding to the these emails, why is it that you use
> the plural "we" instead of the singular "I",

Why? Oh why? We wonder why?! Why could we possibly use why?!

> with an understanding that the
> plural "we" is usually reserved for reference to multiple Homo sapien's?

A completely meaningless assumption?

D42 Kandinskij Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vijay Gorrepati wrote:

> I have no clue who "they" are. They are on the rhizome mailing list. Ask vijay p about them, he has some interesting things to tell.

> anyways, have fun, kman is good at telling you to stop telling people do
> something.

We are not 'telling you' to 'stop telling people to do something'.
Meaningless generalities do not apply to Reality.

> and they like to

We neither like nor dislike.

> lean on a psychoanalytical cruch,

We lean on no crutches, love. Nor do we engage in 'psychoanalyis'.
Avoid attempting to present your cultural conditioing programmatic
knee-jerks as what 'we' are.


> albeit not very responsibly.

Dear, you have no understanding of responsibility.
You're simply throwong about verbal concepts.


> Somehow they instantly know who you are and


> WILL tell what you are doing,

That is not what we are doing, love.

> even if you are not, because they just know.

Nor is the above what we are doing.

> They also dont take responsibility in their actions

Actually dear, we are perfectly responsible for our actions.

> and are quick to forget them.

Dear we do nothing of the sort.

> Very hypocritical too.

Nor are we hypocritical in the least.

> APE!

So dear, can you do anything besides project
standard knee-jerk attempts at insults mixed up
with things you perceive as 'insults' on our behalf?

rolf van gelder Dec. 7 2002 01:00Reply

Can someone please stop this guy… he's insane and pissing off all of us (I hope, at least he's pissing me off).
I hope he'll find another hobby soon instead of writing those idiotic emails 24/7…

anyone agrees?

so let's take action!


"-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Alex Sullivan wrote:
>
> > QUESTION:
> > I am assuming that there is a Homo sapien some where responding to all of
> > these emails, among other assumtions.
>
> All erroneous.
>
> > The english language is flawed but in common usage some terms have become more definite, yet another assumption.
>
> Another completely meaningless sentence.
>
> You were not interested in speaking to us>
>
> > For the Homo sapien responding to the these emails, why is it that you use
> > the plural "we" instead of the singular "I",
>
> Why? Oh why? We wonder why?! Why could we possibly use why?!
>
> > with an understanding that the
> > plural "we" is usually reserved for reference to multiple Homo sapien's?
>
> A completely meaningless assumption?
>
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Vijay Pattisapu Dec. 8 2002 01:00Reply

Hey man…I ain't leanin on no 'psychoanalytic crutch'…

I doubt _I'm_ part of the Kandinskij phenomenon…It feels like it's one person, but hey…gets blurry…it'd be weird if K was more people than all of us combined! hehe… I doubt his identity is just a simple collection of several discrete personalities either, so never mind…point is, there's stuff here to consider, even if it isn't all sugar-coated…at least that's what I think


-Vijay P

p.s. let's pool all of this conflict into positive energy for 2.Moksha! …more blind hope
…wait, all you guys may actually be contributing more than you know =)

>Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:41:13 -0800 (PST)
> "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org> Vijay Gorrepati <vijayg@mail.com> Re: RHIZOME_RAW: 2Moksha 2Moksha. Let's all be victims.
>On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vijay Gorrepati wrote:
>
>> I have no clue who "they" are. They are on the rhizome mailing list. Ask vijay p about them, he has some interesting things to tell.
>
>> anyways, have fun, kman is good at telling you to stop telling people do
>> something.
>
> We are not 'telling you' to 'stop telling people to do something'.
> Meaningless generalities do not apply to Reality.
>
>> and they like to
>
> We neither like nor dislike.
>
>> lean on a psychoanalytical cruch,
>
> We lean on no crutches, love. Nor do we engage in 'psychoanalyis'.
> Avoid attempting to present your cultural conditioing programmatic
> knee-jerks as what 'we' are.
>
>
>> albeit not very responsibly.
>
> Dear, you have no understanding of responsibility.
> You're simply throwong about verbal concepts.
>
>
>> Somehow they instantly know who you are and
>
>
>> WILL tell what you are doing,
>
> That is not what we are doing, love.
>
>> even if you are not, because they just know.
>
> Nor is the above what we are doing.
>
>> They also dont take responsibility in their actions
>
> Actually dear, we are perfectly responsible for our actions.
>
>> and are quick to forget them.
>
> Dear we do nothing of the sort.
>
>> Very hypocritical too.
>
> Nor are we hypocritical in the least.
>
>> APE!
>
> So dear, can you do anything besides project
> standard knee-jerk attempts at insults mixed up
> with things you perceive as 'insults' on our behalf?




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MANIK
—– Original Message —–
From: "Rolf van Gelder" <cage@chello.nl>
To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
Cc: "Alex Sullivan" <dangersports@hotmail.com>; <vijayg@mail.com>;
<joseph@electrichands.com>; <adamreeves@mail.utexas.edu>;
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<taras@microsoft.com>; <rampatt@aol.com>; <luke21687@hotmail.com>;
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Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: 2Moksha 2Moksha. Let's all be victims.


> Can someone please stop this guy… he's insane and pissing off all of us
(I hope, at least he's pissing me off).
> I hope he'll find another hobby soon instead of writing those idiotic
emails 24/7…
>
> anyone agrees?
>
> so let's take action!
>
>
> "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Alex Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > > QUESTION:
> > > I am assuming that there is a Homo sapien some where responding to
all of
> > > these emails, among other assumtions.
> >
> > All erroneous.
> >
> > > The english language is flawed but in common usage some terms have
become more definite, yet another assumption.
> >
> > Another completely meaningless sentence.
> >
> > You were not interested in speaking to us>
> >
> > > For the Homo sapien responding to the these emails, why is it that you
use
> > > the plural "we" instead of the singular "I",
> >
> > Why? Oh why? We wonder why?! Why could we possibly use why?!
> >
> > > with an understanding that the
> > > plural "we" is usually reserved for reference to multiple Homo
sapien's?
> >
> > A completely meaningless assumption?
> >
> > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
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> > +
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>
>
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Vijay Pattisapu Dec. 8 2002 01:00Reply

http://www.2moksha.com

new; truer to the name 'comics' as well


sorry about prev post…messup on keyboard
-Vijay

>Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:36:02 -0800 (PST)
> "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org> Vijay Gorrepati <vijayg@mail.com> Re: RHIZOME_RAW: 2Moksha 2Moksha. Let's all be victims.
>On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Vijay Gorrepati wrote:
>
>> > There is no we, ape.
>>
>> Childish name calling, I thought you were above that.
>
> Certainly. There is no childish name calling in the above statement.
> Your reaction is to misinterpret the above as such,
> which is your action, and your responsibility
> + then attempt to hold us responsible for it.
>
> It doesn't work that way.




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