no K A R E I … you are not on the "right track". at least, not for me.
your expedient means [online persona] may work for others but i doubt you
and i will never understand one another.
there are about six billion humans on Earth and you see each human as
thoroughly unique [yet] you treat/engage each one the same
there are about six billion humans on Earth and I see that we are all
essentially the same [yet] i treat/engage each individually
i do not know if one way is better than the other (i don' t think its a
"right" or "wrong" choice) however, your perspective/approach and mine are
not compatible.
your recitations on "ego" and "self" reveal you for the thief that you are.
stop stealing from eastern philosophers. you are not capable of properly
repeating their ideas.
btw - you should see a therapist about that mesiah complex (and yes, i can
tell you what to do).
david goldschmidt
—– Original Message —–
From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
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Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 12:13 AM
>
> Q: But if my ego is full of ignorance, what decisive answer can it
> give to me?
> R: Now we are on the right track. Ego is ignorance (of the mind), while
> the Self is Knowledge; therefore you must look for the Self. (+ no
> teacher can 'give' you anything).
>
> Q: And how do I find the Self? As you can see, we are going back to the
> original question.
> R: By dying to ignorance. And how can you die to ignorance, if ignorance
> is always chattering away and biting its own tail? No correct and fair
> answer can come from an ego that is ignorant. If we wish to stand
> still while we are walking, what should we do?
> Q: We should stop, stand still, stop walking.
> R: Very good. So why dont you stop and stand still? Why don't you nail
> down your mind-ignorance to silence ?
>
> (+ the original 'teaching' of the crucifiction was the 'nailing'
> of the ego
> + nobody can do that to or for anyone else
> + it cannot be accomplished in public, not in performance,
> not in mailing lists, not anywhere besides within the
> confines + solitude of a human body)
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
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On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, David Goldschmidt wrote:
> no K A R E I … you are not on the "right track".
Actually I am. And you're not qualified to judge.
> at least, not for me.
You don't matter. Self-importance / self-pity, ha.
> your expedient means [online persona]
This is not an online persona, you blind twit you.
Masking hasn't got anything to do with 'online personas'.
> may work for others but i doubt you
> and i will never understand one another.
Rather one way. I understand you, you don't understand me.
Your lack of ability to empathize is another issue.
Do you know some are born these days w/o capability to empathize?
And if this could be demonstrated to you clearly,
what would you (and Eryk) suggest that be done with those humans?
(They lack the ability to develop consciously from birth).
I suppose Eryk has a wonderful solution for those (delusional jerks).
> there are about six billion humans on Earth and you see each human as
> thoroughly unique [yet] you treat/engage each one the same
I do not treat each human the same. Your own delusional projections
are really indeed entirely inside you. Until you awake, you shall
only have contact with your own 'dreams' + 'delusions'.
> there are about six billion humans on Earth and I see that we are all
> essentially the same [yet] i treat/engage each individually
Humansa re not 'essentially the same' by any stretch of the imagination.
Nor do you have the capability to treat them individually, proclaim it
as you please.
> i do not know if one way is better than the other (i don' t think its a
> "right" or "wrong" choice) however, your perspective/approach and mine are
> not compatible.
You know nothinga bout my 'perspective/approach'.
> your recitations
The only one making recitations here is you.
Keep your delusional projections to yourself.
> on "ego" and "self" reveal you for the thief that you are.
The only thief here is you. And my statements have been about ego and
Self, no quotation marks. Keep your self-debasory (based on conceit +
self-importance flip-side) impulses to yourself.
Ever seen a split branch with two splits yet essentially connected?
There's your basic self-importance / self-pity mechanism. Since you
reserve self-importance in your stance, the way you 'treat all others
individually' is by pointing that self-pity at others with which
the asleep human tends to co-resonate.
This applies to your desire to 'remove masks'–which is an issue
which is thoroughly outside of your reach, except for a bunch of
pre-sets you've picked up and flattened. It does not matter how much
you wave them about though, nothing of the sortcan substitute for
genuine knowledge–and the only ones you'd 'convince' are equally
asleep humans–and that is what all this posing in front of others
and beating yourself in the chest about your humanity is about–the
ASLEEP ape narcissistically looking for its self-reflection.
In fact this is what this e-mail is about as well.
Your desire to 'denase' in order to keep your self-reflection.
The 'right track' has never been what you tell yourself in your brain
that the 'right track is'–yet I cannot stop you from chasing your tail.
Consider the laughable idiocy below:
> stop stealing from eastern philosophers.
I am not stealing anything from anyone.
> you are not capable of properly repeating their ideas.
I do not need to repeat any ideas dear. Secondly, I am not repeating
their ideas–actual knowledge of them is what I possess. They are not
ideas, nor are they anyone's possession–the mechanisms at work are
something ELSE.
To make matters worse you're soignorant as to declare them
philosophies– idiotic ape monkey.
> btw - you should see a therapist about that mesiah complex
The only one with the messiah complex here is you, luv.
I think it's fairly obvious that I lack it–if you paid attention.
But it's just so convenient to throw facile, standard, flat
phrases you've heard here and there isn't it?
> (and yes, i can tell you what to do).
No dearest. All you can do is act like a psychotic ape, wave your hands
and impotently gesture in front of your self-reflection, convincing
yourself that that grand posture you're making is true.
Too bad it isn't.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42