Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread thelove)Lee,we=
ather is nice in Belgrade…today.But there's also "time",time is bad.I won=
der all day how came that we talking about "revolution"on rhizom?That's mee=
n Rroocceffeller(or whoever)de facto is sponsor of that world event.Bythewa=
y,I found rhizom org.on Internet in Deleuze-Guattari pages.I was curious.So=
meone on Rhizom ask that few days ago.That's the answer.Idea of rhizom is i=
dea of unespectable/imposible/distorsive/spasmatic/shicophrenic conection.I=
t considered that kind of a-logical,non-planed relation in new created worl=
d of ,so caled,term capitalism.Of course D&G expect kind of revolution as r=
esult of wild mind.Like the other French intelectuals,unforunetly,they wron=
g.Why?Because we are,i meen people generaly,dont exist as a political subje=
ct.I was suprise when you sugest me to see U.N site.They are decoration for=
American destruction(remember bombing Serbia without any protest from U.N)=
.OK,digresion!Next war is already-made.All we need is to sit in front of TV=
.and stering.UTOPIA survive.That's most importand now.Yes,all of us should =
find all posible definition in ourselves,meanwile,as I see,same time ewerio=
ne should considered local situation and put it on Rhizome org.Nice materia=
l for analysis.Ideas,not information is curent stuf.Indifference ,pure indi=
fference is IN.This term exist in english from XV century(taken from new la=
tin),term work was invented in XVIII.Indifference tuk a long trip:from Gree=
c phylosopher Phyrro(founder of scepticism,3-th century before Isus),Sextus=
Empiricus(writer of "Phyrros attitude",V c.n.a),Mavars in Spain who transl=
ate ancient Greec philosophy and give that to Western Europe,St.Avgustin,Fr=
ench philosopher from XVIII c.,Nietsche,Duchamp…But all of that was activ=
e statement,kind of actionism,thay were alive…I'm not afraid of war,I'm a=
fraid of this NEW indifference.Cold,pragmatic,i-moral,full of empty phrases=
,destructive…I'm tired now.
—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Wells
To: manik ; Joao Pedro ; list@rhizome.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spreadthel=
ove)


Manik

Here are a couple good places to start. How can these theories be applied=
towards a new ideology. What are the foundations already in place that can=
be modified to apply to a new international movement (art/political/etc)

http://www.un.org
http://www.nothingness.org/
http://www.critical-art.net/
http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/visfront/vizindex.html
http://www.earth-today.com/

I can only understand in part how our understandings of Revolution differ=
and what went on in Belgrade and the rest of the region you live in. I ask=
questions to myself about location and what is my part in all of this, an =
American artist living in New York City.
As a US Army veteran of the Gulf War. As an Earth First Activist, a Husba=
nd.

I think we all must define our locations within ourselves, Where do we st=
and, where are we flexable.
I would like to think about this some more and get back to you.
Hows the weather in Belgrade today. It was pretty nice here in NYC. I thi=
nk people on the streets are a bit nervous with 911 coming up in a couple d=
ays. I pray nothing happens again.

Talk soon
Cheers
Lee


on 9/9/02 5:31 PM, manik at manik@ptt.yu wrote:


Hi Lee,Pedro,
I'm not so glad that you "agree".Insted I realy expect something alse.W=
hat is problem?You agree with what?First of all is to make conversation cle=
ar as it posible."Revolution"!Where?On net.?In art generaly,world/words,soc=
iaty,economy…What power do we need to make that word understabile?What's =
our resource,or where can we find them?What is object/subject of our atenti=
on?I live in very hard place(Belgrade,Serbia)and so caled "revolution"two y=
ears ago was joke.But war and bombing was'n.There's many levels of understa=
bile "reality".I dont know.For begining,I sugest something interesting:"Ant=
i-tecnologies of Resistance"from Alexander Brener&Barbara Schurz-
http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors/brenertext.html

Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread=
thelove)

Manik

I totally agree

Cheers
Lee

on 9/9/02 8:44 AM, manik at manik@ptt.yu wrote:


That's we want:to show endles stupidity of ad infinitum ego trips.R=
EVOLUTION is key word.But,we wonder how to aproach to this term "revolution=
"(in generl way),without make playground?Also,we stadied about posibiliti t=
o "make revolution".Tricky thing(see R.Barthes, for example).In MANIK-s cas=
e chat with Kandiskij was sucesfully way to make clear important issue.This=
person was kind of triger for reaction like yours,and,posibly somebody als=
e.So,we dont hate,actualy I like hisreric&fluxfull people like karei,but he=
/she is wery artistic(it's nice,on some twisted way).If somebody answer to =
this atempt to make posible dialogue about revolution(whatewer it is),we ar=
e goin to be carefuly listeners.
Best wishies
MANIK

—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Wells <mailto:leewells@bb19.net>
To: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt> ; list@rhizom=
e.org
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:05 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread=
the love)

Hello all
I do wonder why artists have such a hard time getting along with =
each other.
Please put your egos to rest and lets all try to be constructive =
towards each other.
Critique dont insult. For the most part this list is great but I =
really hate having to delete most of the messages due to childish rants and=
raves. I think we are above the level of an aol teen chat room.

I hope the others that have been sitting on the rhizome fringes w=
ill come forth and let the kids know enough is enough. We've got a revoluti=
on to plan.

The time was now, now its then!
Cheers
Lee

on 9/8/02 5:19 PM, Joao Pedro at oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt wrote:



—– Original Message —–
From: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
To: list@rhizome.org
Cc: Oliveira Pereira <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: RHIZOME RAW: affirmation against reaction

Some people seems haven't nothing better to do than insulting=
each other, in a negative reaction, with a segregatives sentences or with =
the famous "no", the terrible "no" than i reject in absolute!
You know one thing? This expression of reaction, make me laug=
h, with a Dionysus joy, the affirmation of live and i said: be positive, ma=
king things, don't insulting, don't answer to another with the fascist "no"!

Joao Pedro
oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt
http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt