analytical arguement: if life is pollitics and art is life than it's art is political.
(a+b=a) nanananana boo boo we are going to talk politics all the time !!!!!!
"Neal E. Krasnoff" <nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com> wrote: on 7/18/02 1:43 AM, Nmherman@aol.com at Nmherman@aol.com wrote:

>>In a message dated 7/17/2002 11:12:53 PM Central Daylight Time, nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com writes:


>>I'm here for art, not politics.


>Then you're in for a hella ride Chezzeroo. Politics is OK here.

Why?

>We talk about it and stuff. Politics and all. You know.

Like Political Art?




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In a message dated 7/18/2002 2:12:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com writes:


> Like Political Art?

Well ah, I'm not sure. What's that? Art that relates to the polis
immediately?

Eh? I'm mean you're the one who said not to talk a certain way, you gotta be
more specific.

Jim

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At 03:26 on Jul 18, Nmherman reasoned:

> In a message dated 7/18/2002 2:12:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
> nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com writes:
>
>
> > Like Political Art?
>
> Well ah, I'm not sure. What's that? Art that relates to the polis
> immediately?

in this case, it was in support of an artwork which nobody liked.
i did like the explanation for it ("perpetual rape") but wonder how
sincere it was. and it violated the "fwords" rule. these allergic
rules are no use - which is why he said "I'm here .."

usenet still maintains netiquette and that includes disapproval of
`offtopic' posts. in the net-art-mailing-list matrix, because of its
experimental types, there have been sorts of battles fought with the
result that `offtopic' posts are no longer remarkable. one exception
is nettime, which is now ruled by a cabal of special-moderators rather
than a single one. do the `unfiltered' nettime- and rhizome- filter into ?

the insertion of political material into discussion is sometimes part
of political art, as in antiorp's anti-NATO period, but most often a
hypertextual justification for bizarre behavior, as nn's anti-fascist
period. it's probably correct that "right-wing" material would be flamed,
but that itself would be very illuminating. we forget what offtopic means.

> Eh? I'm mean you're the one who said not to talk a certain way, you gotta be
> more specific.

that isnt what he said at all, and it's quite rare for someone to say that.

>
>

At 06:47 on Jul 18, portholeaccel reasoned:

>
> analytical arguement: if life is pollitics and art is life than it's art is political.

This list/piece/essay is about what I want to say and how I want
to say it. It is also .. about contemporary culture and technology
.. I guess I`m overwhelmed .. There was a snowboard ad .. that
went something like this: "Don`t question authority, ignore it."
To further that I like: "Don`t question authority, be it." [Which
I thought] Mr. Virtual Reality, Jaron Lanier, was saying about Big
Brother types possibly wanting to control V.R. input like tapping
a phone line. He advocated becoming smarter or a better hacker
than those who try to "control" things. Sorry Jaron if that's not
quite what you were getting at but it is what I mean and well,
meaning is obscure isn`t it?

I could say "that`s it" but no. Shall we continue?

> (a+b=a) nanananana boo boo we are going to talk politics all the time !!!!!!

I`ve very recently come to realize that I`m writing about the
future, and the very near past. I`m not used .. to looking at
creativity in such a way .. I am writing about nothing which is
now becoming something. This is just how technologies and cultural
movements are continually emerging, evolving, and being defined.
I can write about what is now happening in my world, as far as I
know, and what I am doing within it, as a part of it so to speak
.. the more one knows the more one can partake .. My degree of
involvement is restricted or modulated by my ability to, so to
speak, speak the language .. [or] my language. We are always
partaking in our society to one degree or another ..

In a message dated 7/18/2002 9:16:50 AM Central Daylight Time,
portholeaccel@yahoo.com writes:


> (a+b=a)

Um, yes you are smart, but smarter than me, I find that difficult to believe.

What about Bayesian statistics? You know how a+b=a relates to that?

I'm basing part of my magnitudinal argument on the idea that the sum of all
sub-event probabilities is greater than zero, and I do not think my esteemed
colleague can enter mathematical evidence in court unless we get to enter to
record a dissent brief of how Bayesian statistics affect marketing in urban
areas.

In a message dated 7/18/2002 7:32:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com writes:


> How about "I question your authority to question authority"?
>

www.geocities.com/genius-2000/daily.html

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b3dlciBtYW4gCm15c2VsZi4KCk1heCBIZXJtYW4KCisrCg==

In a message dated 7/17/2002 11:12:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com writes:


> I'm here for art, not politics.

Then you're in for a hella ride Chezzeroo. Politics is OK here. We talk
about it and stuff. Politics and all. You know.

Jim

++

Ok, whatever. life as art as in art as experience john Dewey……… the way they fold the napkins at Loring Cafe is so dated you would think they would be a little bit more inventive being so fancy pants….. being an adult is so much more interesting then being a child sweet as….
nkras <nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com> wrote: on 7/18/02 8:47 AM, natalie myers at portholeaccel@yahoo.com wrote:

>analytical arguement: if life is pollitics and art is life than it's art is political.

Then climbing a telephone pole is performance art. :-) The urban intellectuals at the Loring Cafe didn't buy the blue-collar craftwork is art thesis.

>(a+b=a) nanananana boo boo we are going to talk politics all the time !!!!!!

Ok, whatever.




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In a message dated 7/19/2002 2:19:25 AM Central Daylight Time,
portholeaccel@yahoo.com writes:


> i can not stand Max Herman

The other guy is not making me angry at all! I'm not angry at you nkras.
Natalie Myers however has a right to be angry that I spoke unfairly of her
work. The courtroom/lawyer thing was going through my head because of the
heat, the pressure if you will, of today's architecture scene.

I want to be fair: I dispute that "accelerating forward, in any direction",
can be, without a counterballast, a road to the beauty we light with art's
flint.

It's the major historical question for me. Porthole Accelerator looks airy
and freeing. I can see it being a beautiful piece of architecture. My
concerns lie in the deepest chasms of my critique of history, something to
which Ms. Myers has no obligation to justify the Porthole Accelerator.

My periteia lies in the suspicion that my demand of accelerating sideways may
be best interpolated to new ways of being in space by exactly such works as
Myers' PA.

Does anyone else have any ideas re PA and the idea of forward acceleration,
Virilio, all that? My gripe is that I think Adorno would call this
acceleration subjectivity gone wild, the I regressing into myth. Is it true
that Virilio is the more sexual, and Horkheimer the more asexual, of the two
major schools of speed-theory?

do not get me wrong but you seem to be making him angery you see Mr.Herman
> has no air-conditioning and he is on limited funds the heat is causing his
> obsessive need to create the genius 2002 work that fails at every
> introduction this here is just crazy talk and why is everyone so
> …………the empires new clothes by DEMI that is a good picture book i
> like it

c'est la mode, cherie
—– Original Message —–
From: natalie myers
To: pollitical debi ; list rhizome
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: alt.politics.radical-left (was: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: School of A=
merica)


analytical arguement: if life is pollitics and art is life than it's art =
is political.

(a+b=a) nanananana boo boo we are going to talk politics all the time !=
!!!!!

"Neal E. Krasnoff" <nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com> wrote:

on 7/18/02 1:43 AM, Nmherman@aol.com at Nmherman@aol.com wrote:


>>In a message dated 7/17/2002 11:12:53 PM Central Daylight Time, nkr=
as@nkras.dsl.visi.com writes:


>>I'm here for art, not politics.


>Then you're in for a hella ride Chezzeroo. Politics is OK here.

Why?

>We talk about it and stuff. Politics and all. You know.

Like Political Art?





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billy bob did you see that it huge and it wants in my butt





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accelerating in anydirection it is you who assumes only sidways being a student i must say that my interest in rhizome or the work i am doing is not inspired by the institutes of america the majority of what i have learned there revoles around and somewhere in between 1950' s serielism and 1960-70's utopian architecture there is a strong stance agianst technology at the establishment you see that is way i am doing a wood block cut at this very moment — today's architecture scene is the most exciting it has been since the bauhuas i mean shit walless houses datascape building skriting biomorphic out the A hole the stuff is amazing portable or not life is amazing right now !!!!!!!!!!your need for space when well today the idea of space does not exsistit is filled with something or other and soon mars will be open but probabaly not in our life time i will not justify the PA ……i stand with the above statement accelerating in every way


Nmherman@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/19/2002 2:19:25 AM Central Daylight Time, portholeaccel@yahoo.com writes:


i can not stand Max Herman

The other guy is not making me angry at all! I'm not angry at you nkras. Natalie Myers however has a right to be angry that I spoke unfairly of her work. The courtroom/lawyer thing was going through my head because of the heat, the pressure if you will, of today's architecture scene.
be fair: I dispute that "accelerating forward, in any direction", can be, without a counterballast, a road to the beauty we light with art's flint.

It's the major historical question for me. Porthole Accelerator looks airy and freeing. I can see it being a beautiful piece of architecture. My concerns lie in the deepest chasms of my critique of history, something to which Ms. Myers has no obligation to justify the Porthole Accelerator.

My periteia lies in the suspicion that my demand of accelerating sideways may be best interpolated to new ways of being in space by exactly such works as Myers' PA.

Does anyone else have any ideas re PA and the idea of forward acceleration, Virilio, all that? My gripe is that I think Adorno would call this acceleration subjectivity gone wild, the I regressing into myth. Is it true that Virilio is the more sexual, and Horkheimer the more asexual, of the two major schools of speed-theory?

do not get me wrong but you seem to be making him angery you see Mr.Herman
has no air-conditioning and he is on limited funds the heat is causing his obsessive need to create the genius 2002 work that fails at every introduction this here is just crazy talk and why is everyone so …………the empires new clothes by DEMI that is a good picture book i like it





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At 19:02 on Jul 18, nkras reasoned:

> How about "I question your authority to question authority"?
>
>

well on the forum Jun 24, Tony Chanh called you a "scumbag,"
because there is no such major as an Intelligence, and if
you are going to be an Intelligence ..

In a message dated 7/19/2002 10:14:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
portholeaccel@yahoo.com writes:


> the heat is causing his obsessive need to create the genius 2002 work that
> fails at every introduction this here is just crazy talk

Do me a favor–stay off my side.

Max

I didn't say that you shouldn't talk in a certain way. I am asserting that this is a mailing list concerning the Arts.

dear NKRAS ……

it is a snowing day in may and well we seem to have misplaced you in the simulation it is time for you to come back in and be debugged in order to understand your simulation you see art is vast and relates to everything even nothing rhizome mainley, a plateau, and somthing as simple as William S Burrough dropping a book on the ground and well creating Naked Lunch. i can not stand Max Herman do not get me wrong but you seem to be making him angery you see Mr.Herman has no air-conditioning and he is on limited funds the heat is causing his obsessive need to create the genius 2002 work that fails at every introduction this here is just crazy talk and why is everyone so …………the empires new clothes by DEMI that is a good picture book i like it

nkras <nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com> wrote: on 7/18/02 2:26 AM, Nmherman@aol.com at Nmherman@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 7/18/2002 2:12:19 AM Central Daylight Time, nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com writes:


Like Political Art?


Well ah, I'm not sure. What's that? Art that relates to the polis immediately?

Eh? I'm mean you're the one who said not to talk a certain way, you gotta be more specific.

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I didn't say that you shouldn't talk in a certain way. I am asserting that this is a mailing list concerning the Arts.




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In a message dated 7/19/2002 12:14:08 AM Central Daylight Time,
diocletian@visi.com writes:


> > How about "I question your authority to question authority"?
>

Yeah but do it in public please and no shredding allowed.